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    1. Robbo Owner of this website for my sins ....

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      Reb, I hope my response explains but as for suggesting I indulged myself in 'speak to the hand ....' then you are wrong, I don't like reading bull**** .. I don't trust a word he says or what sables utters and on that basis, I tend to trust people's accounts as long as I trust the person themself.
      But this is diverting somewhat of an important point here that you've made but not pursued, that of, if you made up [compiled] accounts then why not post them instead of what was done here ... reb, surely this is what's important here because it indicates a real problem; the fact you are able to establish I have got a short degree of tolerance with bs is niether here nor there ...
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    2. Robbo Owner of this website for my sins ....

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      One thing that's patently obvious here is, this ain't doing paintball much good and it's 100% true but when a thread blew up some years ago whereby the industry and players had concerns about a certain supplier of compressed air at events ... I took it on in the same way as I'm doing here in this thread and asked the questoins that needed asking, I took an enormous amount of sh!t from the guy in question and some of his little followers.
      Mind you, to his credit, he didn't wish i die of cancer :?
      It turned out, he was actually running an unprofessional and extremely dangerous outfit ... that thread got him out of paintball .. had I not took it on, who knows what might have happened?

      It's exactly the same thing here, I might well have been causing embarrasment and problems for certain people but questions needed answering and as I have said many times, this is one time I genuinely hope we were wrong .. go back and read them if you haven't got a life, it's there in black and white ..
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    3. Rebel Tackleberry Platinum Member Lifetime

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      I've stated my own logical conclusion of why the parties involved have stated that they'll provide the information on conclusion of the funds allocation. That makes perfect sense to me and I honestly can't see why it doesn't to any other reasonable person.

      I have just had a telephone conversation with Tim Barnett regarding the email referred to. During that conversation he forwarded it to me in it's entirety. It contains a lot of information that should have helped clear this whole situation up, including apologies from him for the ad thing and other information that I'm sure he'd rather have not passed to me, if it weren't for the purpose of being 100% transparent.

      The astounding thing is that it's not one of the one's you refer to above but it actually INCLUDES YOUR RESPONSE to it on 08 February 2012 11:37

      I'm sure an email to the councilor, asking for notification when all funds are allocated, would receive a positive response. Then it would be perfectly appropriate to ask that the S4S information be made available promptly afterwards.

      I can see that emotions seem to be the overriding factor here, over logic and reason, so it appears senseless in me trying to appeal any further than that.
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    4. Robbo Owner of this website for my sins ....

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      Reb, just so you can see some substantiation to my point of not wanting to hear from him again and told him as much, here is part of the post I sent him to barnett on the 8th .. I hope you will agree it co-incides with what I maintain in terms of preparing the ground for me to delete or ignore any further communications from him, here it is :-

      This is the deal, you mention you don’t wanna enter into email slanging match; did you not read the first two words of my previous email where it quite clearly stated, ‘Dont Bother’ which was referring to you getting back in touch with me ....
      YOU are the person initiating this email verbal volleyball not me, I cut it short by saying ‘DON’T BOTHER’ ... can you see it now :/
      That roughly translates out to, I don’t wanna hear another fukkin word from you ... you abused my trust and now I am getting to hear many of the other things you’ve done to people ... most agree with the ‘megalomaniac’ description in wanting to corner the market and others have mentioned your propensity to lie ... I don’t believe a ****ing word you say.

      At least you can now maybes get an insight into my state of mind at that time.
      Robbo, Feb 12, 2012
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    5. Robbo Owner of this website for my sins ....

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      I'm gonna be speaking to Ledz tomorrow and he will have sifted his way through this thread by then and if he thinks this thread should stay up, then it wil, if he thinks otherwise, then it won't. What I do know is this, he will decide upon criterion that doesn't include my friendship with him but for the betterment of paintball as a whole. .....
      I trust him over I trust myself when it comes to matters such as this. I will also be talking to my mods and see what they think .. others will make the call on this, I am just standing by every single word I have uttered and the reason i elected to go public with this was entirely because I beleived there was a possibility something was amiss and ballers could be being shafted.
      Let's see what tomorrow brings ...
      Robbo, Feb 12, 2012
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    7. Rebel Tackleberry Platinum Member Lifetime

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      I'll be frank here. All I've seen is this starting with a baseing in advert issue to then latch onto the District 10 paint issue, and finally the Support 4 Soldiers issue. Despite other people and companies being involved, it seems that it's all been about tarnishing Shoreline. I don't care who puts the event on. If Jim wants to give us the games we want, by all means book sites like Sennybridge/Copehill Down and run a game with good quality normal paint if that's what he's saying is possible. I make a personal choice on what games I play. It just so happens that Shoreline and the Super6 partners provide, in my opinion, the most consistent experience at present. I've played NvS. I've played at Warped's Lockdown, Christmas Carange etc. I've played at NPF at multiple Diamond Wars. I've played games put on by scenario teams.

      I was there at District 10. We were one of the teams affected by the statement by Nick Sanders, on Sunday morning, that Frostbite and GI Sportz Winter weren't allowed to be sold and used. We, and two other prominent scenario teams, made it very clear we weren't happy and were prepared to walk if we couldn't use the paint we'd chosen AND already paid BZ for.

      Support 4 Soldiers issue has been explained, BEFORE this even came up in the last few days, but the explanations have been conveniently ignored in favour of 'trusted sources'. The sources may well be trusted but facts get changed as they make their way down the chain of chinese whispers.

      All I've seen from this, and many other existing and new players no doubt, is what appears to be a 'close your eyes', 'listen to what's convenient' campaign to slur peoples reputations and cause them damage, with NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Every bit I've seen has been purely CIRCUMSTANTIAL! On top of that, rather than listen to reasonable statements of facts, threats of violence have been made.

      That really is it from me. I don't see any point in commenting on this particular thread any further as it seems whatever is presented will simply be turned round and something else pop up. Even if the accounts HAD been posted, would anyone actually take them at face value or would the argument be 'but, why weren't they presented x weeks/months ago' to continue circumstantial suspicion?
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    8. Furby Naughty Paintball God

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    9. AlexMcAlpine P8ntballer TeamSpeak Mod

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      I presume Tim's post relates to Robbo saying he either hadn't received the email or had deleted it without reading, yet he had in fact replied to it?
      AlexMcAlpine, Feb 12, 2012
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    10. niallist SPS - First 9

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      So the following people and organisations have been attacked in the course of this thread and none of the accusations have stuck.

      Support For Soldiers and its organisers. Shoreline, Tippmann, DXS, BZ Paintball, Tony Lindsay and Al Murray
      Tim Barnett
      Andy Sables
      Shoreline
      Super 6
      UK Scenario
      The moderators of UK Scenario

      A couple of points......

      Surely, even if this was done in the interests of the baller, then if the accusations are without foundation then an apology should be in the pipeline. Preferably accompanied with a donation to Support For Soldiers.

      Putting aside the S4S stuff for a side, the mods on UKS have been accused of various terrible acts of bullying and censorship which have also been disproven. I can promise you that if there was a thread on UKS that basically consisted of banned members of P8nt bitching and crying about their treatment, out of respect to you and your mods we would police it very closely and probably close it down as it would ultimately serve no purpose. Also there is a distinct lack of people queuing up to add to the stories of woe perpetrated by Jamie, David Jack, Dano and Leachy. Which would lead me to reach the conclusion that we're not actually all that bad. The list of banned people on UKS is tiny. 90% of the people on there are spambots.

      Finally, I find it quite sad that the first real engagement that this forum has had with the Super 6 is in such a negative fashion. Hundreds of ballers played the events last year and had a great time, not everyone did, you can't make everyone happy all of the time. Surely as the "largest paintball forum in Europe" it would be better to engage positively with something that has changed the face of scenario paintball in the UK.
      niallist, Feb 12, 2012
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      Brilliant this must mean the accounts have been published and there is proof (y)
      Could someone please show me where the link to it is???
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    12. RobbieG1966 Shoot first .. Ask later!

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      Robbo will no doubt be along shortly to provide that information leachy ...
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    13. niallist SPS - First 9

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      No Leachy. It means that the information was sent to Robbo nearly a week ago and that the accounts will be published when all of the cash has been distributed. Which is what was said all along by Tim and Al.
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      are you actually serious?? all the posts leading to this point and you haven't paid the blindest bit of attention....good work!!
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      According to this you said on 12th February that you had only just heard about the councillor. Yet, you were sent an email on 7th February, containing details of the councillor and his contact details, which you say you never had. Going by Tacks account, no reason not to, he's no liar, you replied to that same email on 8th February, proving you received it.

      So, is Rebel Tackleberry the new owner of P8nt?
      niallist, Feb 13, 2012
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    16. chuckwood Now back in Australia!

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      Sad, all this has done is drive a bigger wedge between scenario and sup air for what?
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    17. Phoenix Platinum Member Lifetime

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      Really?!? Has it? How many 'Sup-Air' ballers do you see commenting on this thread without any evidence or knowledge of what's been going on? Because all I see are mostly people that have been customers of shoreline in the past.
      I can assure you that 99% of tourney ballers have said fek all in this thread and saying things like that only creates a wedge where there isn't one!
      I'd lay an awful lot of money that there have been far more people in the tourney scene reading this than there have commenting on it...
      Phoenix, Feb 13, 2012
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    18. RobbieG1966 Shoot first .. Ask later!

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      Let's not make this into a tourney v scenario thread - as we all really know that is not what has gone on here. Wise words there Phoenix. I for one love ALL forms of paintball, although only really have time and money to play scenario, but have really enjoyed the odd occasion I happen across a tourney field.
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      Ok this is my final posting on the matter, after which time i will say nothing....Lets put it to bed one time once and for all. I will not be responding to any later posts, questions or comments. I have much more important things in life to be dealing with than this lot.

      First thing first, at no time in the thread on UKS did i say the S4S was a fraud, i merely asked the question about the charity number to which i was massively flamed and as stated in this thread by the MODS on UKS, probably quite harshly. It seems that others take my comment asking about a charity number as some sort of allegation of wrong doing.

      Now if the MODS had jumped on those posts using the word charity and describing the S4S as a charity made days and weeks before my question about the CN then perhaps this whole business would never have reared its head. It isn't helped by the fact that Mr Barnett himself refers to S4S as a charity publicly in several locations and also articles.

      However, i am not the only one who asked the question and the reaction everytime was just the same, to flame the enquirer and ball them out in the forums or delete their comments.

      Such reaction has raised many peoples suspicion.

      Right that said lets move to the next point which has now become relevant.

      If these funds were raised and are now being distrubited, yes quite rightly there would be a set of accounts. yes quite rightly a third person should over seeing the allocation. But when was this explained in all the threads dating back to September last year or earlier?

      Do you see where i am going with this?

      If a sum of money has been raised its very simple to say x,y,z has been raised. You don't need to publish the accounts, you don't need to wait till its all distributed. Its very easy, just state how much has been raised.

      You see?

      Its Mr Barnett and his MODS on UKS that have presented all the smoke and mirrors in the matter not me, i merely asked a question, as did others, and it is Tim Barnett and his inner sanctum that have made everyone suspicious with their dance around the houses games.

      Next point; as for my team being trained by Jim Frenshy, yes they are. This is a recent thing that has come about as after playing various games at various grounds we decided that the people we would most like to be associated with as a Team would be Warped, after all they have been in the business as long as any one can care to remember. Thats our decision and has no bearing on anything. The connection and suggestion that Mr Barnett makes in that this is all some master plan engineered by warped to smear Shoreline is all in his head.

      However, i am aware of Mr Barnetts quite open comments about his plans to dominate the market and undermine warped simply because he feels some one at warped disrespected him by calling him boy.

      In all the years i have played this game i have never seen so much bull and bluster from one person, its sad that this is now effecting the game. As a player, as a father of daughter who plays and as a team captain i know where i wish to play, i know the teams we enjoy playing alongside and against, we know the grounds that are our scene, Mr Barnett is pissed because it doesnt involve Shoreline. Sometimes in life thats the brutal honesty, people are jealous, or think that they are the only one that matters.

      Get over it Mr Barnet, i have.

      Moving on swiftly; for those in the know, those that are even on the slightest interested......http://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2011/04/david-jack-was-exonerated.html

      Perhaps Mr Barnett will take this on board, he can even contact Cowley Street and discover that after a ten month police investigation and the seizure of my computers and servers, after my home being dawn raided, i was cleared of sending the email, i was cleared of any involvement, i was reinstated into the party and actually went on to stand in the following years elections. He may also like to take a look in the Royal Courts Of Justice under Cartel and Wright v Jack and see who won that case, he may also wish to look up Burleys Solicitors and references from the Solicitors Regulatory Authority which described the fraud i exposed there as ' the largest fraud exposed in the 185 year history of the Law Society'.

      It is a criminal offence to publicly promote a course of words or actions to which you know are false. It is also a criminal action to republish words or statements that you know are false.

      So one time Tim, publicly, here now, i request you apologise for your libel against myself and admit you got it wrong.
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      First, I believe Tim has been banned from this forum, so don't hold your breath waiting for an apology.

      Second, the amount raised by S4S was published on UKS and has been linked numerous times on this thread: http://www.ukscenario.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27042&hilit=support for soldiers

      Third, congrats on being cleared of those allegations - although I'm confused as to why you bothered standing for election again when "the money in painball world series is much higher and more attractive than an MPs wage in any event!" ahem, ;)
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