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onasilverbike

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Have Manfred and Barry resigned from the MS board and divested themselves of any financial interest in it since the end of last year?

I'm pretty sure the MS board isn't just Laurent, Baldrick and Urich Von Klinkerhoffen!

But then, as I'm taking a sabbatical, maybe my informatoin isn't as up to date as it used to be.

Oh, and I don't think Rab has been seen at an European event for some time, probably since he was last seen at CPPS, infact the senior presence from G.I. has dropped off considerably.
 

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Just seen that Brad at PBRML is saying that the NXL are buying the Millennium Series, thoughts anyone?

Link here

Says it's a strong rumour but hell we know what that can mean
 

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It's been on the cards for over a year, and on the table, leastwise the finalisation, for the last month or so.

You can view it in one of two ways depending upon what you think of Richmond Italia.
The people who know Richmond will adopt one view, and those who don't know him, another.
My view, for what it's worth is, the fate of our tournament scene could well be within the control of a suit but in this instance, our tournament scene will be within the control of someone who cares about our sport.
The future looks promising ....
 

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Have Manfred and Barry resigned from the MS board and divested themselves of any financial interest in it since the end of last year?

I'm pretty sure the MS board isn't just Laurent, Baldrick and Urich Von Klinkerhoffen!

But then, as I'm taking a sabbatical, maybe my informatoin isn't as up to date as it used to be.

Oh, and I don't think Rab has been seen at an European event for some time, probably since he was last seen at CPPS, infact the senior presence from G.I. has dropped off considerably.
Laurent, Stephen & Ulrich are listed as Directors.

Barry & Manfred are listed as PSC.
 

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Ulrich is registered as a director but make no mistake, Steve and Laurent 100% control what's going on with the Millennium.
The others do have a voice but ultimately, any decisions concerning the direction and ultimate fate of the Millennium is shared between the dynamic duo and rightly so - it was their idea in the beginning to create the Millennium and in so doing helped determine the shape and course of European tournament paintball.
 

onasilverbike

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I am not sure how NXL will address the entry fee gripe as the entries in the US are more than those of the Millennium for events with significantly more teams. One thing they might do is search out new venues as both Bart and Richmond have both said to me in the past that they were disappointed in coming all the way to Europe for the same old venues.
 

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Trans Atlantic consolidation makes sense on many levels not least of which is hopefully a common format but the irony is, it's come a bit too late to be of any practical use to teams crossing the pond either westward or eastbound.

In our heyday, tournament paintball, played host to a number of teams who regularly crossed the pond to compete, although this was generally restricted to the pros from both sides.
The difference in format during those times didn't prove to be prohibitive more a quirk that could be easily negotiated when playing.
A unified format was always desirable especially so because our sport was growing during that time and it was felt we needed to consolidate our transatlantic playing formats in readiness for a mainstream era that would have entailed the creation of a world paintball association but it never worked out that way !

However, those halcyon days of paintball expansion/growth no longer exist and the number of opportunities for US teams to come over has dwindled precariously for some years.
We in the UK used to send teams over to the US with the likes of Nexus and Tigers along with a sprinkling of other European teams like The Ton Tons and Russian Legion.
Historically, there was always a disparity between the Yanks making the trip over and us Europeans generally favouring America's finest, numerically speaking.

I suppose it's better late than never but for the unification to have any practical impact, our sport needs to start growing again but I'm loathe to labour this point because I've banged that drum far too many times over the past decade or so - it makes for a depressing read.

Bottom line is, any changes made to consolidate our sport [Tournament paintball] won't do any harm and I suppose we could view it as a somewhat optimistic investment in the future.

I'll call Steve Baldwin of the Millennium to see if he can flesh out any details but failing that I'll call Richmond and ask him.
I'm on holiday at the moment and will be back home on Monday and so I'll call them then.
If I spend too much time on this iPad my Mrs is gonna be cooking me nag-pie for the duration .... I'll get back to you as soon as I know.
 

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Funk it, I threw caution to the wind and risked the wife dishing up copious dollops of nag-pie and called Steve at the Millennium to try and find out what's going on.

We had a pretty long talk discussing the future/fate of the Millennium Series but
I must add, I can't give you guys a comprehensive rundown of things to come either because they haven't been confirmed yet or need to be held back for other reasons.
Other than that, I'll endeavour to recall the relevant points .....

It's true to say that the NXL is heading this way and so the burning questions that players/teams will need to ask are:-

a) Will it cost more to play the new series?
From what I know, I think the costs for entry will increase and if the costs to play the NXL in the US are anything to go by, some teams over here will be facing a near two-fold increase.
On the other hand, prize money will also increase accordingly which is of course fantastic news for the winners of each event but as for the vast majority of teams who are non-winners, funkin' hard luck pal, you better practice reaching deeper into your pockets.

b) Will the formats change?
I think this a no-brainer, the NXL model is a slick operation that's been refined in the last few years and so it absolutely does make sense to adopt this model over here.

c) What are some of the downsides of this changeover to the NXL?
Firstly, I think I'm right in saying that the NXL pro teams are restricted in what they can play outside of the NXL and so these type restrictions will presumably be imposed here.
And so any team that's locked into the NXL pro division might well be blocked from playing the CPPS although there aren't too many teams playing the CPPS and the Millennium anyway.

I think the coming Paris event is pretty sure to be the last ever Millennium event which for me is a pretty sad day for European paintball, I'm gonna be writing a requiem post for the Millennium later on.
Steve Baldwin and Laurent [owners and creators of the Millennium] have been both good friends of mine for well over 20 years - their achievements have been unique in European paintballand I believe there's a need to document their achievements and just how much we owe them.
It's true to say they've come under attack in the past, some of those attacks coming from myself but you're always gone get some negativity - I hope to put the record straight in my article/post.
It will NOT turn out to be a back-slapping obsequious tribute to friends of mine, I'll try to write it up as truthful as I can make it.
I'll put up a link if anyone's interested to read it .....

The Millennium's model has been to try and nurture the growth of our sport from the ground up, such that provincial events such as the CPPS here in the UK are acting as a feeder conduit into the Millennium ....... but when you've got CPPS events being played a couple of weeks prior to the Millennium, financial constraints are brought to bear on teams/players making it hard to do both.

This bottom up philosophy of growth adopted by the Millennium series isn't reflected in the NXL whereas they seem to create an event series based upon the somewhat hackneyed proposal of, 'Build it and they will come' ....
I suppose this could be described as a top-down approach and it works pretty well in the US thus far, and so we'll have to wait and see if it works as well over here but maybe the significant increase in entry fees could well end up undermining any success leastwise in the short-term.

Next year, we'll be playing under the NXL, that's for sure, as to how many teams sign up?
Lord only knows but short-term there's sure to be a casualty list if the expected rise in entry fees is imposed.
I've little doubt the NXL will want to hit the ground running and so I think we can expect another slick operation on this side of the pond which has to be a plus point but it's gonna take time for the financial-dust to settle, and to find their feet.
They've already sent over a few people to scout out venues and so the gears are already in motion.

If anyone has any specific questions they want answering then ask them here in this thread and I'll do my best to get them answered.
For anyone asking sh!t-loads of inane questions, please refrain or they will be ignored.
Sensible questions only will be responded to .....

Our future looks challenging - we're entering a new age in European paintball and for the time being, I'd like to thank Steve and Laurent for everything they've done for all of us who've played their events over the years and I'd also like to thank them both for everything they've done for me personally.
 
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Pete I wonder if this opens up the possibility that the local country leagues align more with the CPS folks (which has suffered a bit this year). If attending CPS events got you DPL/FFF/CPPS points (maybe capped at a certain amount). Could add an interesting twist.

My favorite part of the Millennium series is getting to see friends that I only get to see during those events, that I've known for years. If that's gone due to the cost being too high for teams to attend...that's a pretty big bummer.