Originally posted by Flash-Bugout
Why do people insist on referring to ramping as cheating. It's in the rules, it's allowed, therefore it's not cheating. 
Famine, you appear to know more abot this than me, but I'd assume that the UKPSF has asked rec-sites to not allow ramping, rather than going to the tourney organisers and asking them not to allow ramping. (from the way you word it, I'd say you speak to sites for rec-ball, and organisers for tourney-ball).
A pretty good policy TBH. Rec-sites are where the new blood comes from, and if they get outgunned all day by a ramping gat compared to their tippy 98, they'll never come back. Bad for the long term survival of the sport/game/hobby.
It's like telling drivers in go-kart racing that they can't use that F1 car that they have sat on a trailer out back.
And bunkerkidz - yes, you now can't tell an FA gat from a legal ramping gat, which is kind of the point of the rule. To stop people with silly RoF gats that will ramp/FA to 25bps and seriously hurt someone. Now they're all doing 15, so safer.
Missy - you say that the onus will be on the player to prove that the gat was legal? I don't think so, for the following simple reason. Players (bar the select few) pay one hell of a lot of money to play these events. Are you suggesting that the event would DQ and ban a player without being able to prove that the gun was a cheating gunl? Without everything being absolutely watertight, there's a very slim chance I reckon.
I'm afraid that i will have to disagree with you on both issues, i think that the reason why UKPSF have asked rec sites not to allow ramping and not the tournament organizers is because of the following:
First, because the tournament organizers wouldn't listen, they have their money to make and god forbid that anything should compromise that...
Second, because rec balling is all about fair fun, and it ain't very fair, or very fun to be stuck with your rental gun against some rich idiot with a ramping gun...
As for the gun cheats...that'd all be great and all if they could actually control the guns, i don't know if you read in my post bu i know someone who played a whole millenium tournament with a 20bps ramping gun, straight up, not hidden or anything, his MROF was simply set to 20 bps, and played the whole tournament like that trouble free...
Now you are trying to convince me that the marshalls (who coulnd't even distinguish a 20 bps ramping gun from the norm) are capable of catching cheater guns with let's say, hidden modes, velocity ramps etc?
That's utter BS because i know for a fact that they can't...i have seen players guns so obvious to be cheating even from the other field and the refs can't catch it...lol
And it just got even harder because in their so called quest to stop cheating guns they have made their job 10 times harder, because before you could tell more less wether there was a cheater gun in the field, simply because of the sound because human shooting isn't rythmic, as where eletronic shooting is...
Now you can't distinguish f*ck all, simply because all guns sound the same...
If the millenium series actually had the means to control players guns before making ramping legal, then it wold actually kind of legitimize their bogus argument of trying to control gun cheats, but the way that they have done it, it just seems to me that they have made their so called "quest" alot harder....
...or then again maybe they just want to sell more paint
I personally think it's the latter...
And just as a sidenote/rant...i have yet to see any arguments in favor of ramping that aren't something like: "We have to move on with the times!", or "This way i won't have to actually practice to be a good paintball player!"...would anyone care to indulge me?
Peace (semi-auto please)...Gil
