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Discussion in 'Talking Points' started by Mark Vickery, Jul 24, 2017.
I'll pass this on it Ivan
You see a lot if hate going out towards the delta guys selling tickets on the street. Quite often you see people posting up guffawing at the lack of knowledge the ticket sellers have when I'm fact they're often students trying to make a living. I was introduced to the sport through delta and I'm guessing a hell of a lot of us were so to say they're bad for the sport is bollocks quite frankly. Yes they're prices are higher than most and they don't cater to own gunners but that's not suprising really considering they're target market is punters. They're there to give Barry and dave a good day out pretending to be Johnny Rambo, not to bend backwards for the average own gunner. Without them pulling people in I'd guess the sport would be in a much worse place.
Anyone who pretends to be "a free alternative to the UKPSF" is a bunch of ****s in my book.
Delta Force is just a good day out for rentals, nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't say they are exactly good for the sport - they are just cashing in on the fun nature of it for stag events.
I would prefer it if they gave back to the paintball community and occasionally opened up their sites for walk-ons. They have amazing facilities but choose to keep them private, which, of course, makes sense for a business.
That is a concern if it got traction. Any corporation that does not cater to all aspects of the sport and tries also to get themselves set up as a governing body for the sport is a disaster waiting to happen.
Depends how they were treated by the UKPSF.
I have no idea if there was a problem or not, although I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of site owners rallied to keep DF out of the UKPSF.
If someone did that to me, I'd probably start my own version too.
Delta Force have no absolutely no interest in being paintballs governing body. That much is for sure.
And Delta Force are 'cashing in' on paintball the same way that Burger King is 'cashing in' on hungry people. That is to say that they are meeting demand. Demand that they created themselves, by spending money, advertising and promoting their business. The evil bunch of ****s!
I have rumours on why DF made the UKPBA, others will have heard the same.
The UKPBA site standards are the absolute minimum, and (at least prior to 0.50" calibre) have had a lower player age then I personally consider safe
Rest assured that the distinction between UKPSF & UKPBA is clear on Wiki and that Trading Standards, the Home Office etc know the difference
Many statements made by DF, UKPBA, IPG have been challenged - some things upheld, some things not supported.
(eg UKPBA player membership is everyone who has ever played, and is unrecognised as anything relevant. Whereas UKPSF player membership is an active membership and is recognised by others - though it is low)
On the face of it I'd say Delta Force are doing what a lot of fields and sites should be doing.
Their website looks great. They create content that sells paintball. They have clear information and after our site visit yesterday we were pretty impressed by the whole thing. If I was a punter, so to speak, I'd love to play a site like that. First place we ever played was a smelly field with a few hay bails and some pallets. And we loved it. Delta Force sites have buildings, buses, tanks, helicopters... they have enough stuff there to help you create your own fantasy scenarios. Staging areas look great too.
So if having a smart brand, clear information, great places to play and offering a proper good paintball experience is bad for the sport, we've got very skewed vision of what good for the sport means.
I didn't like the call centre. Helpful yes, but I just wanted to speak directly with someone, but I guess that's the nature of a big, efficient business.
And yes, not everyone working for them knows that much about paintball, but a lot of young guys working in bars at the weekends probably don't know how bourbon is made.
And no, I don't work for them. Just saying what I saw.
Still hoping they will get back to us about an interview as I am keen to get their take on the industry