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Donald Trump

Donald Trump...

  • is going to make America great again...

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • isn't going to get elected

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • won't make a difference, presidents rarely do...

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • needs to pack up and go home, and leave it to the politicians...

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • will cause WW3

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • would be the best president ever

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • would be the worst president ever

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • would be the last president ever

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .

Missy-Q

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Now that Katy Perry has officially come out for the Dems, this might be a super-close race! If she gets Bono it will really pile the pressure on Trump, and Will Smith hasn't even made an appearance yet...
So far Trump only really has Scott Baio, who's a bit crap, and some Country Music stars. He's really going to have to work at this now.
Hopefully Kanye comes out for Hildog. That would even things out a bit as he would cancel out Katy Perry easy.
Trump needs a JayZ, or even a JT, in my opinion.
 

H

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Watched most of it, thought trump was hopeless, a complete unprofessional shambles. The interupting, talking over people and just plain flat out lying about statements he'd made in the past.

Don't quite understand people hating on clinton for being 'too scripted', it's a job interview and you better be bloody well prepared.
 

Missy-Q

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Jul 31, 2007
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He started strong. He had her on the ropes when he was asking why we should believe she can effect change now when she's been in a position to effect change for 30 years.
She nailed him on racism and sexism though, he didn't handle that well at all.
As for the interruptions, don't know if you watch a lot of these debates, but last night everyone was actually very civil. There are normally way more interruptions than that. You'll see in the next 2 debates, it will degenerate into a farce, especially in the last one.
Clinton has to be scripted. She has so many skellingtons in the closet she can't afford to go off message. It also really helps when a democrat is the adjudicator. We will see a republican as the next one I think, and Hillary will face tougher questions.

I don't feel it's fair to say Trump is a liar. It would be fair to say that both candidates are liars, for sure. I counted more lies from Hillary than Trump, but I may have missed a few, and obviously I don't know all the truths, no-one does. She did say that deleting 33,000 emails was 'a mistake'. That's a lie right there. Ever deleted an email by mistake? Sure you have. Ever deleted 33 thousand emails by mistake? No, and how can someone do that by accident? She lied about Benghazi. She even lied to the families of the Americans killed there. Fact is, there isn't an honest option to choose... Hillary says the facts on her website are correct. Trump says the facts on his website are correct. I don't think either are. I would have more faith in Trumps numbers than Hillary's simply because he is a less experienced politician, and doesn't have the enhanced play-book that Hillary does.
 

H

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As someone on the other side of the pond. I just don't get why this emails thing and benghazi mess up is what anti clinton people obsess over. From what understand it went through due course, investigations and such and it's done with. Maybe I don't care enough to follow stuff in detail but christ, it's just talk about that endlessly. Clinton lies no doubt, but Trump lies, flipflops wildly and comes across as an entirely awful and dangerous human being.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/factchecking-the-first-debate/
 

Spikerz

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Yea the email thing was basically storing secret documents on an unsecured server, which if she were in the military would get her discharged and sent to prison. It's bad. The FBI said yep, she screwed up but...we don't want to prosecute. Hours after Bill met with them on his plane.
Their whole political lives have been super shady, and filled with people mysteriously dying right before they could testify in court against them for various things.

Trump is just a misogynistic psychopath. He has 0 redeeming qualities. She's bad, he's worse.
 
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Missy-Q

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Yeah it took me a while to understand why the Benghazi thing is a big deal. I didn't get it. Now that I do (it's worth looking into if you can find an unbiased source) I totally understand why it keeps coming up. It wouldn't be such a big deal if she had been fired for it. The fact that she wasn't, and now wants to be president, is a big deal, at least to the military, and the republicans.
Either choice ends up in a terrible next president. I have no problem with the Trump-haters, right up until they try to tell me how awesome Hillary is...
 

Missy-Q

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Did you watch the 2nd debate?
It degenerated into a pretty awesome row, Definitely uglier than the first one. Roll on the next!!