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Enforcing the rules and unsportsmanlike conduct

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  1. Wadidiz EnHaNcE tHa TrAnCe

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    Once again, here is a recap of all the proposals made so far:

    Rules suggestions for Millennium, NPPL and X-Ball


    1. Continue to train PRO refs to get them up to the level they need to be.

    2. Require a pre-tournament briefing for all refs to make sure everyone is totally consistent on enforcement of the rules. Give them a pop-quiz to gauge how well everyone knows the rules and go over the important rules most get wrong.

    3. Carefully monitor the quality of judging at every tournament and encourage excellence and consistency. (Perhaps one or two video cameras could be set up to monitor quality, but not to change any decisions.)

    4. Institute a 3-strikes-you're-out rule: if any player gets caught and penalized for the same violation (playing on, for example) 3 times, that player shall be pulled from the tournament and the team shall play with 1 player less.

    5. If a player is pulled from 2 tournaments during a season then the player shall be automatically suspended from NPPL and Millennium for that season (alternative: the next 2 tournaments, if necessary carried over to the next season).

    6. Keep statistics of penalized infractions and violators.

    7. Put in and enforce very clear rules about threatening, abusing (physically or otherwise) or attempting to intimidate refs. Make suspensions for said offenses mandatory with no exceptions. Zero tolerance!

    8. Make sure that NPPL/PSP and X-Ball tournaments have a mix of international refs to avoid the appearance and possible reality of bias because these events are now truly international.

    9. Assign a head-judge to every field who is independent of any player/ref team and who has the authority to maintain quality and consistency and to assess penalties for infractions committed by judges (such penalty assessments shall be reported to the ultimate judge who shall then, after verification, apply the penalties).

    10. The teams of the judges who are performing their duties for series points shall be subject to all the penalties related to infractions during the tournament in question, e.g. failure to wear goggles in the presence of un-bagged markers, etc. The required warnings and penalty assessments shall be spelled out in a list (I suggest 50 points for most infractions after one warning).

    11. Judges who are professional or who are not performing their duties for series points shall be subject to the same applicable rules as the judges in point 10, except that any penalty point assessments shall result in a fine of €1.00 or $1.00, whichever is applicable, or the equivalent in local currency, for each penalty point assessed. For example a judge who fails to wear her/his goggles when and where required after one warning shall be assessed a penalty of €50 or $50 for each infraction. (These are tough fines but judges must set examples.)

    12. Pay refs a minimum of €150/$150 per judging day plus supply them with lunch and drinks (even dinner if they are required to work past 6.00 PM). Pay head field-judges a minimum of €200/$200 per day.

    13. Require a minimum of one judge for every two players, plus three judges, e.g.

    for 5-player: 8 judges
    for 7-player: 10 judges
    for 10-player: 13 judges

    14. Require that minimum safety requirements are enforced for any venue that has a league-sanctioned tournament. Any breeches of these requirements must be rectified before the start of the tournament at risk of losing any future sanctioning. The requirements should include, but not be limited to:

    * a minimum netting standard vis-a-vis quality, height, etc.
    * the presence of an ambulance and/or trained paramedics
    * all fields must be free of undue safety hazards
    * definite inspection of every high-pressure tank used
    * strict enforcement of barrel-bag and goggle-on rules

    15. Change chronographing rule to require exit chronographing which will be expedited by allowing convenient chronographing on the way to the elimination box. Chronographing of non-eliminated players can be expedited by use of hand chronos.

    16. Get rid of the don't-look rule in NPPL. Of course players have a strong, natural desire to see the outcome of the game. They just have to shut up and not point. With more refs, enforcing the gag rule should not be a problem.
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    Feedback requested.

    Steve
     
  2. raehl Guest

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    Hey steve...

    You ever get the feeling you're talking, but no one is listening? ;)



    Seriously, just got back from Cup, hopefully I'll have some time to go through your list when I work through the rest of the backlog.


    - Chris
     
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    I've been listering,but hav'nt had time to reply. I like your proposal, however I see the implementation of it to be a bit of a problem. Most tournaments rely on a large group of people who are basically voulenteers, if they recieve any actual money its not very much. If your the promoter and your running a 10 man tourny with 4 fields going simultaniously you will need to have
    40 reffs, 4 head reffs and one ultimate, for a total of 7000.$ plus
    taxes and comp. per day, on top of this you also need people to recieve entries, waivers, sell paint, tabulate scores,oversee the schedule, runners to kickstart teams, chrony reffs, people to inspect and fiil air tanks, You get my point This adds up to a whole lot of coin, Points toward are a whole lot cheaper to give and your "voulenteers" aren't going to gripe over thier pitance.
    The more one gets the more the others want, if you pay for good
    reffing your going to have to pay your support staff well also
    because if you don't your tourny will go to hell in a handbasket
    pretty damn quick. There are very few selfless people in this world and promoters don't appear in that catagory.;)

    If I can get 50k plus travel and expences to be a PRO reff where do I sign up? That sure beats the hell my job as a goldsmith,
    If I can't hang with the players so what I hate you lot anyway:D :D :D
     
  4. Wadidiz EnHaNcE tHa TrAnCe

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    Hey steve...

    Yeah, I guess I'll have to start shooting bad judges from off-field!:p

    By the way, Chris, congrats on the progress with the Collegiate league. I think it is one of the most positive steps forward in American paintball. Too bad there is no real equivalent to that scene outside of USA.

    Paintyerass: I agree that the bill for all pro refs would be a bit much. I may have been a bit overambitious concerning pay since I believe there needs to be a way to attract qualified personnel. These proposals are aimed at the big leagues and, for the moment, I still believe the reffing-for-points system is the only thing that will work. The PRO refs are being phased in to fill out the numbers and to get them going, as I understand it.

    If we look at the World Cup we see that the gross receipts for entry fees must have been well over $500,000. If they had used the adequate numbers I propose in the post above at $150 per day that would have cost PSP less than $100,000. At $100 per day less than $70,000. Are either of these figures reasonable?

    Adequate numbers of refs go a long way toward ensuring quality. Too few invites cheating.

    But the point I keep repeating ad nauseum is that we have to improve the quality of the reffing overall, especially in consistent enforcement.

    The response I have received to these ideas since the World Cup show me that something needs to be done now more than ever.
     
  5. paintyerass SUX2BU

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    As I said in my previous post, I agree with you. But I was also
    trying to point out that there is another element to a successful
    tourny and that involves support staff, they can also make or break a tournament. From my experience they work very hard for
    little recompense. While I don't think a fifth of the gross too much
    for top quality reffing others may find that too big a piece of thier pie:rolleyes:
     
  6. Wadidiz EnHaNcE tHa TrAnCe

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    I have been getting some feedback from some of the Millennium people and understand that the money is not there for the pay I have advocated, unless entry fees are raised.

    Maybe there is no problem with Millennium concerning adequate numbers of quality judges. Maybe not for support staff either. Fortunately for tournament promoters and paintball park operators there are plenty of groupies who will stand up for a pittance. Been there, done that and I've got the t-shirts to prove it. Just sometimes I've felt like a whore afterward, often without the benefit of vaseline.

    If Millennium can get all the good help they need without providing more than food and lodging then more power to them.
    So I'll redirect that part of my suggestions to NPPL, PSP and X-Ball, if it fits there.

    Steve
     
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    An update...

    I worked as the ultimate judge at a 14-team indoor tournament last weekend so I had the opportunity to put to the test what I've suggested and what I've learned in these discussions. The tournament was on a Finnish island off the coast of Sweden called Åland and it ended with Joy Division playing a 3-period X-Ball match with the winners of the tournament. A few things:

    It's not so easy to arrive to a tournament and immediately have to work with judges you don't know. I was fortunate in that I got a real competent crew with the exception of one guy who asked if he could get some on-the-job-experience. One of the good refs seemed to be a little cocky and rude so I'll have to do what I can to prevent that next time.

    I really think that my relatively thorough pre-tourney briefing with the refs helped to set the tone for consistency. I also insisted that they sit in on the captains's meeting for symbolic reasons and to emphasize. The notes I used for the captains' meeting were also thorough, we got a lot of questions and it took 20 minutes. But well worth the time.

    I still don't know what I should have done about the inexperienced guy, because in retrospect he did cause most of the bad calls (which were four or five). But I couldn't get myself to pull him from the field because he was so eager to learn from his mistakes.

    The tournament went really well except for one team that pulled out in protest because they didn't like how slippery the floor became and because they thought we did a poor job.

    Everyone else praised us very much for the job we did and some comments included "hard judging but fair and the same for everyone".

    I learned a lot from my first exposure to X-Ball. It is very hard to keep up with. Whenever one side starting collapsing I did see some playing on but the game ended so quickly that I didn't have time to penalize the offending team. Joy (including Alex and Max Lundqvist) were gentlemen and played straight up. They literally ran off the field when they were hit.

    My general observation about judging X-Ball is that there must be plenty of judges (we didn't have enough) and the judges must be trained and motivated to judge with "extreme prejudice", that is, they must be waiting for the play-ons to happen and be prepared to take instant action.

    Merry Christimas!

    Steve
     
  8. Baca Loco Ex-Fun Police

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    Not a criticism and just an observation

    Seems to me the first consideration is competence. The result is what counts to the players.
     
  9. Wadidiz EnHaNcE tHa TrAnCe

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    Not a criticism and just an observation

    I'm not sure what you mean, my bovine friend. Was what I described a good result in your opinion or not so good?

    Those few bad calls might have been the straw that caused the whining team to go home. The overall result was great, however.

    In order to create a more perfect reffing environment, what's a body to do? I mean how can I judge competence until it is too late?

    Steve
     
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    Well...

    Inexperienced refs shouldn't be reffing big events. I don't know how "big" of an event this was, so whether letting the inexperienced ref stay on or not was a good idea I can't say.


    You should always require all of your refs to be at the captains meeting. If you don't, there WILL be a "bad call" which will result from something being said at the captain's meeting that wasn't said at the ref's one, or vice versa.


    X-Ball: Definitely need more refs. On the upside, bad calls in X Ball are not nearly as devastating as they are in traditional paintball. If someone gets pulled in a bad call, it may lead to a lost point, but that's one point out of as many as 10 or 20 in one game. In traditional ball, one bad call can easily make or break a tournament for a team.


    - Chris
     
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