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pyroLX

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I don't know if this is allowed or not but there goes, bosspaintballproducts.com has a gazillion parts for the mini if you need any stock parts.
 
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Tuning guide to the Mini

Big thanks to MaxOC (pbnation) for the tuning guide for Minis.

MaxOC said:
ill post my mini tuning guide here i guess.

NOTE, I HAVE ADAPTED AND MODIFIED THE GUIDE TO BE BOARD SPECIFIC. MOST PARTS WILL WORK WITH ANY BOARD, PARTS THAT ARE BOARD SPECIFIC WILL BE COLOR CODED.

7th element
tadao
virtue
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for efficency
1 turn psi to 190
2 turn backcap out(stock dwell) until you chrono at your field limit
3 drop dwell a ms at a time or so till you see a drop in fps
a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.
4 if you see no drop in fps by the time youre at 1 blink, lower your psi till you see a dropoff in fps.
5 once you see a drop due to either dwell or psi, turn whichever one dropped it back up .5 ms or 10 psi to be safe.
6 make sure youre at your field limit with decent consistency. if you see consistency issues or blowback issues, try upping your dwell and lowering your psi a little.

to be gentle on paint.
1 turn your dwell as high as it goes on your board.
2 turn your backcap 3 turns out
4 lower psi until you either
A stop cycling fully(feed 2 at a time to tell)
B get blowback (feed 2 at a time to tell)
C drop your fps below your field limit
5 if A happens, up your psi until you do cycle fully. if B happens up your psi until you stop the blowback. if C happens turn your psi back up until you are at your field limit
6 after all that, you should have a gun on very low pressure, but still has kick??? thats because it has about 4x the dwell it needs. lower your dwell one ms at a time till you see a drop in fps.
a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.
7 once that drop happens bump it back up 1 ms. check for consistancy, half cycling, or blowback.
8 if you see consistency issues or blowback issues, try upping your dwell a little.
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thisll work for both stock bolt and v2. although with stock bolt youll see some half cycles before you go below 300 fps when going for lowest pressure.

tell me how it works for ya guys. worked for me. and only takes 15 minutes max.

If you use this guide and it works well for you, post
1 what bolt setup youre using
2 what your previous settings were
3 wether you were going for lowest psi or best shot count
4 what your new settings are
5 any comments. harder/softer on paint, any efficency gains/losses, chrono consistency gains etc.


COLD SETTINGS

now i realized that people couldnt get nearly the right settings i was using, because my lowest temp is 55* in the morning.

now ill make some to try to combat the stick some of you are facing.

for one, LIGHTLY lube your stuff. the way i can tell is with lurker it turns the orings shiny. with dow 33 you should have enough to make the oring groove look like a black and white square oring that fits perfectly, with none of the lube coming above the top most part of the oring. if you use too much lube yours stuff will stick and yur settings will suffer.

after lightly lubing be sure you dryfire a few hundred times to work in the lube.

now, the actual guide.
MaxOC said:
original post was too big with this included in it. there is now a link to this post in the original post.

for stock.

1 put your pressure with the pressure actually on the 200 line.
2 now turn your backcap out till you hit your field limit(with stock dwell)
3 dryfire a few hundred more times.(note this is only if you recently relubed)
4 now, lower your dwell about 4 blinks. (1 ms)
5 leave your gun out in the cold air(not in a bag or something) for 5 minutes
6 dryfire. if you notice any abnormal sounds like the poppet not fully cycling or the bolt not cycling.
7 keep doing this until you do notice your poppet sticking or anything abnormal.
8 now, you can actually move to the chorno.
9 put your dwell at 24 with your backcap still out from your original chrono. see what your speed is. if it has dropped significantly(10-15 fps) up it 2 dwell and adjust for fps. if not keep dropping it 2 dwell at a time until you do notice a large drop.
a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.

now note. if you did experience any sticking when dryfirng at a certain dwell, do NOT go within 3 dwell of this dwell setting or you risk having stick.




for v2 w/kit

1 use blue spring
2 now, set the psi anywhere from 150-170. it depends on your lube, how well you lube, and how cold/damp it is. for colder temps and/or using dow33, go with a higher psi. for mid range cold temps and/or using lurker, try 150, or hell even lower. the psi i will leave to you.
3 once you find your psi, set to stock dwell and tune backcap till at 300. you may have some massive kick at this time.
4 dryfire a few hundred more times.(note this is only if you recently relubed)
5 now, lower your dwell about 4 blinks. (1 ms)
6 leave your gun out in the cold air(not in a bag or something) for 5 minutes
7 dryfire. if you notice any abnormal sounds like the poppet not fully cycling or the bolt not cycling.

keep doing this until you do notice your poppet sticking or anything abnormal, with the v2 also check that the bolt is going all the way back on the guide when resetting instantly.

now, you can actually move to the chorno.

8 put your dwell at 24 with your backcap still out from your original chrono. see what your speed is. if it has dropped significantly(10-15 fps) up it 2 dwell and adjust for fps. if not keep dropping it 4 dwell at a time until you do notice a large drop.a. Drop open dwell 2 blinks at a time until you see a significant drop in fps or inconsistancies/other problems. Then lower your closing dwell one blink at a time until your noid doesnt close upon firing. you'll know this has happened because the bolt will stay forward and the poppet will stay open. Dryfire/fire with paint a few times every time you do this to be sure that your noid will close in all situations.
b. Lower your bolt forward dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your bolt return firing with and without paint every increment to be sure your gun is still operating correctly.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at.
c. Lower your dwell until you see a significant drop in fps/have consistancy or bolt and/or poppet issues. then lower your closing dwell, firing with and without paint every few increments to be sure your gun is still closing the solenoid all the way.continue to lower until it doesnt operate correctly, then bump it back up to the setting that it did work at. youll know that you went too low when your bolt sticks forward and your poppet stays open until you detach the air source
d. lower your open dwell one increment at a time, with air, until your noid malunctions and doesnt send air to the bolt, meaning your bolt wont cycle. then bump it back up an increment or 2 until the noid will consistantly open at your psi with and without paint at low and high rof. then lower your dwell an increment at a time till you see a significant drop in fps. then bump it back up one setting. then start to lower your closing dwell till you go to low. youll know you went too low because your bolt will stay forward, and your poppet will stay open.

9 now leave your gun sitting for anywhere from 10-30 mins in the cold.
10 shoot it. be sure theres no stick. some fsdo is alright. but if its rolling out of the barrel fsdo then up your dwell 4 and try again.