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Is anything out of bounds in comedy?

Robbo

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Jon, do you think it acceptable a comic gets air time who then goes on to make jokes concerning Madeline McCann and you can then write off any form of public responsibility by suggesting 'it's all down to the individual'?
This philosophy opens up a whole slew of perverted behavoiurs that will be protected by your thinking .... I mean, if we listen to you, why not show kids getting raped and all have a good ole belly laugh at it if that's your thang .... we can decide to not watch it of course, and of course, those who wish to can but is this a good policy???
Sometimes in life, morality has to take a stand over liberalism ... for sure, it's a hard road to navigate and where do you draw the line etc but hey, I'd rather that than open it all up as a consequence ..
 

Missy-Q

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Jon, do you think it acceptable a comic gets air time who then goes on to make jokes concerning Madeline McCann and you can then write off any form of public responsibility by suggesting 'it's all down to the individual'?
This philosophy opens up a whole slew of perverted behavoiurs that will be protected by your thinking .... I mean, if we listen to you, why not show kids getting raped and all have a good ole belly laugh at it if that's your thang .... we can decide to not watch it of course, and of course, those who wish to can but is this a good policy???
Sometimes in life, morality has to take a stand over liberalism ... for sure, it's a hard road to navigate and where do you draw the line etc but hey, I'd rather that than open it all up as a consequence ..
I agree in principle, but legislation means that you have a 3rd party telling you what's funny and what isn't. What is acceptable in comedy and what's not. Those are the same 3rd parties that banned the Gollywog from Robinsons jams, and Noddy, etc. I hate those guys and I'm pretty sure you do too. That would be the consequence, and I'm not ready for it.

If someone wants to clean up Comedy. try banning the N-word. What's more, try banning the N-word usage by black comedians. I see that as a more pressing matter.
That white guy from Everyone loves Raymond can't get a job to save his life since he dropped the N-bomb 2/3 years ago. Comedians that offend most often crash and burn very quickly, as no-one wants to watch them. I think we should let them die of natural causes, we don't need to go hunt them down, at least in my opinion.
 

3L1TE hax

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Robbo, in no way do i condone jokes of that nature, but that is not to say they dont exsist. And its their incredulity ( it's incredible that they are allowed to exsist) that makes them funny. And its not a oh my god thats so funny she had horrible stuff done to her and you made a joke out of that ha ha ha funny It is more of ha ha ha thats outrageous.

However as people have said there must be a market for these kinds of jokes where people laugh at the victim, in a horrible way, because frankie boyle sells out his tours, and has his own TV show. Where he unleashes more tasteless jokes than me and my classamtes...

The best way to think about it is jokes about women and their rights/personalities. For example 'Want to hear a funny joke? Women's Rights' you aren't laughing at the predicament of women in third world countries, your laughing at how outrageous it is to say something like that.
 

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Jon, do you think it acceptable a comic gets air time who then goes on to make jokes concerning Madeline McCann and you can then write off any form of public responsibility by suggesting 'it's all down to the individual'?
This philosophy opens up a whole slew of perverted behavoiurs that will be protected by your thinking .... I mean, if we listen to you, why not show kids getting raped and all have a good ole belly laugh at it if that's your thang .... we can decide to not watch it of course, and of course, those who wish to can but is this a good policy???
Sometimes in life, morality has to take a stand over liberalism ... for sure, it's a hard road to navigate and where do you draw the line etc but hey, I'd rather that than open it all up as a consequence ..
Pete, I am firmly of the view that what is funny and/or acceptable is a matter for the morals of the individual.

What is funny and acceptable to one person may be totally abhorrent to another.

I am not advocating that society should degenerate into an unregulated free-for-all. We need to have laws and regulatory bodies in place.

It is a fact, though, that there are individuals who publicy denounce activities such as gambling, drinking, womanising and pornography and then are caught red-handed in private indulging in the same vices.

We already have perverts in society, and they are products of their own twisted thinking. Only our own moral standards prevent us from descending to their level.
 

Robbo

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Robbo, in no way do i condone jokes of that nature, but that is not to say they dont exsist. And its their incredulity ( it's incredible that they are allowed to exsist) that makes them funny. And its not a oh my god thats so funny she had horrible stuff done to her and you made a joke out of that ha ha ha funny It is more of ha ha ha thats outrageous.

However as people have said there must be a market for these kinds of jokes where people laugh at the victim, in a horrible way, because frankie boyle sells out his tours, and has his own TV show. Where he unleashes more tasteless jokes than me and my classamtes...

The best way to think about it is jokes about women and their rights/personalities. For example 'Want to hear a funny joke? Women's Rights' you aren't laughing at the predicament of women in third world countries, your laughing at how outrageous it is to say something like that.

3lite, there's a market for paedophillia .... is that ok?

Someone has to draw a line ... it is the lesser of evils.
 

Robbo

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I agree in principle, but legislation means that you have a 3rd party telling you what's funny and what isn't. What is acceptable in comedy and what's not. Those are the same 3rd parties that banned the Gollywog from Robinsons jams, and Noddy, etc. I hate those guys and I'm pretty sure you do too. That would be the consequence, and I'm not ready for it.

If someone wants to clean up Comedy. try banning the N-word. What's more, try banning the N-word usage by black comedians. I see that as a more pressing matter.
That white guy from Everyone loves Raymond can't get a job to save his life since he dropped the N-bomb 2/3 years ago. Comedians that offend most often crash and burn very quickly, as no-one wants to watch them. I think we should let them die of natural causes, we don't need to go hunt them down, at least in my opinion.
It's ironic you open up with the line 'I agree in principle' because it is the notion of common principles that drives any legislation through though I readily concede it sometimes goes waaaaay too far with these idiot PC 'ites.

I also agree with your observation re the use of the 'n' word but that's more to do with the black population flipping us white folks basically saying, 'we can use the word but you can't' which turns the whole banning issue of it on its head and makes it ridiculous in a practical sense.

It seems to me there's a certain degree of hypocrisy involved here in that the black community want people to stop using such a derogatory term [and rightly so] but that also means the same responsibility is placed upon everybody otherwise if you wish to ignore the conventions then this opens the door for everybody else regardless of whether you were focal point for that word...... but in practice, this doesn't happen, you have to ask yourself why ..

With regard to 3rd party intervention deciding what's allowable and what's not, whilst distasteful is less distasteful than an open house policy across the board because in practice this merely serves to accommodate each and every perversion known to man under the umbrella doctrine of free speech.

I suppose the real point is this ... whilst we can sit back and do what you suggest in allowing vox pop to decide what's best and what's not by out of order comedians crashing and burning ... but, can we honestly say, the fact these people gain air time has zero effect on propagating that type thinking ... if you think not then cast your eye toward the data surrounding the internet and child porn ..... the fact it's been readily available for the last 20 years or so coincides with a huge, and I mean huge rise in offenses of this kind over the same period.

I don't know if you remember a few years back when one of the newspapers was given some police data regarding the number of personal computers that had downloaded some form of child porn and I think it was something like 2 million addresses in the UK had indulged themselves ... 2 fuhkin million ..... now you can't tell me that number was apparent on a pro rate basis twenty years ago .... I think if you expose people to it, you'll help promote it ..... of course you can argue it's down to people's personal morality if they choose to look at that sh!te or not but why wake a sleeping dog?
 

Missy-Q

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It's ironic you open up with the line 'I agree in principle' because it is the notion of common principles that drives any legislation through though I readily concede it sometimes goes waaaaay too far with these idiot PC 'ites.

I also agree with your observation re the use of the 'n' word but that's more to do with the black population flipping us white folks basically saying, 'we can use the word but you can't' which turns the whole banning issue of it on its head and makes it ridiculous in a practical sense.

It seems to me there's a certain degree of hypocrisy involved here in that the black community want people to stop using such a derogatory term [and rightly so] but that also means the same responsibility is placed upon everybody otherwise if you wish to ignore the conventions then this opens the door for everybody else regardless of whether you were focal point for that word...... but in practice, this doesn't happen, you have to ask yourself why ..

With regard to 3rd party intervention deciding what's allowable and what's not, whilst distasteful is less distasteful than an open house policy across the board because in practice this merely serves to accommodate each and every perversion known to man under the umbrella doctrine of free speech.

I suppose the real point is this ... whilst we can sit back and do what you suggest in allowing vox pop to decide what's best and what's not by out of order comedians crashing and burning ... but, can we honestly say, the fact these people gain air time has zero effect on propagating that type thinking ... if you think not then cast your eye toward the data surrounding the internet and child porn ..... the fact it's been readily available for the last 20 years or so coincides with a huge, and I mean huge rise in offenses of this kind over the same period.

I don't know if you remember a few years back when one of the newspapers was given some police data regarding the number of personal computers that had downloaded some form of child porn and I think it was something like 2 million addresses in the UK had indulged themselves ... 2 fuhkin million ..... now you can't tell me that number was apparent on a pro rate basis twenty years ago .... I think if you expose people to it, you'll help promote it ..... of course you can argue it's down to people's personal morality if they choose to look at that sh!te or not but why wake a sleeping dog?
I'm surprised at your stance on this.

First of all, I've been away for a while now (8 years or so) so I don't recognise the names that have been thrown around by the particular comedian (mentioned above), or who the victims of his jokes are (Madeline somebody), or if they were in fact relevant to your post above.

Where it falls apart for me Pete, is the connection being drawn between Child Pornography and Stand-up comedy.
One one hand, I think it's canny debating by yourself, as once the comparison is made the natural repugnance to the former stains the lattter with a ****-like substance thats hard to wash-off. However, are there really comedians telling jokes about child-porn? For me, that's totally out of order, but something that should be dealt with in isolation, unless you're saying that there is a general trend towards kiddie-porn jokes among comedians, which I would find, well, unbelievable, in the worst way.

It would be a mistake to legislate comedy, in fact I don't know how it could be done effectively. Comedy is just an amusing parody of life imagined, told by one person to another. What (other than child pornography) would you want to stop them from doing/saying?
How about gay jokes, are they OK?
What if some gay guys strenuously complain?
What about if it's in a pub, and you're telling me the funny gay joke, can you be arrested, as you're saying the joke in a public place?
How effective do you think legislation would be, given the viral nature of comedy?

I think it's a non-starter. It reminds me of 'Demolition Man', where people are fined for swearing, and they get a ticket, and Sly don't know how to use the 3 sea-shells, so he gets all the tickets and wipes his ass with them. If you see what I mean.
 

3L1TE hax

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Robbo, i didn't say that these kinds of jokes are ok. I simply said that their must be a desire for them as people line up day and night to watch people say them.

Missy i think the connection was that, by letting people see/tell/talk about these things, you expand the possiblity for people to repeat them/reuse them. Like by letting people see X easily, they WILL see X more.
 
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I think the sacking of Andy Gray for his comments sums up what can happen if we go down the fully PC route. As with Gordon Brown (who described a bigoted woman as a bigot) he was expressing personal opinions as any of us do down the pub with our mates.
There's a certain amount of natural selection when it comes to any art, including comedy, in that it needs a wide acceptance in order to thrive. I think Frankie Boyle is sailing a bit close to the edge but he reminds me of 70s comedians so I think there's a certain amount of nostalgia for those watching his act.
Is anything out of bounds? I'm not sure as I have the choice to turn the telly off or walk out of the theatre. That said I found the Ross/Brand Sachgates incident very distasteful as they were invading a pensioners own home in a completely unprovoked or unwanted attack.