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Jon S

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I wish my history essays flowed out as easily as this did...

I tend to come into these threads too late, but it seems that little has been said about the lack of new blood in the sport. Hopefully this thread still has some legs in it and this post isn’t in vain!

Of course there are problems with apathy and general disunity within the tourney players themselves, but if the vast majority of UK ‘ballers are quite content with their mediocrity, where will we find those who are actually going to take things forward?

What do you do if you want to “play the paintball”? Go down to your site! They have the guns, the masks, the scenarios and the paintballs!

Let’s consider Fred, the local field owner. Fred has a patch of woods, which he rents from a farmer (who would have no use for the woods anyway). Now, Fred’s patch of woods are very easy to look after, aside from spending a few weeks of hard graft at the start, hammering planks about and positioning shells of burnt out cars and other cheap obstacles, Fred has very little to do in the way of maintenance. Fred can also use the same fields for all sorts of different games. Stick a flag on each end, you have a game that keeps the punters happy and shooting for 20 minutes. Hide a stretcher in the middle and tell both teams to find it, and hello, another 20 minutes of fingers on triggers. Oh did I forget to mention that Fred can have all his players going simultaneously in his woods? Remember that.

Now, Barney the ‘baller wants to promote his radical extreme version of “the paintballing”, he calls it “Super Air Ball”. He thinks it’s the dogs’, and wants to get people from Fred’s site interested in it, as after all, they have at least a modicum of interest in paintball already. Fred is, of course, going to want to know how much money he can make from this before doing anything else. Barney pitches it something like this:

“Fred, you’re going to have this patch of flat, preferably grass, land. You’ll then put a set of shiny inflatable barricades on it, then you put your punters on it and they’ll run around and shoot their guns and it’ll be great!”

Fred, though, is going to say:

“Hold on there Barney! First of all, all I have are these here woods, which are cheaper to rent because nobody can do anything with them. I’m going to have to clear a patch of woods, which will be expensive and might not even possible due to regulations, and then it will completely limit me forever in what I can use the land for; or I guess I could rent some land from the farmer that he actually uses, and so he’d charge me more for it, and I’ll almost certainly have to net that off aswell.

Then, you want me to buy a multi-thousand pound field that will require all sorts of upkeep as punters bayonet them with the tippmanns. I’ll also have to dedicate time from my already busy day to inflate the things, or get a marshal to do it. At the end of the day they’ll then have to be deflated, and maybe even put away seeing as I don’t make a habit of leaving thousands of pounds worth of boating material out in the open during the week when I’m not here.

I’m then only going to be able to have, what, 20 players use it at a time? The players might not even enjoy it as they’re here to have a shooty-shooty Rambo fest, they’ll spunk all their expensive paintballs and complain that its not what they came here for.”

Barney says:
“But what about the people who do enjoy it, they’ll go all shooty-shooty bang-bang, money for you!”

At this point, Fred is probably ready to backhand Barney with a straight-shot, but he keeps his cool and says:

“The incredibly stupid ones will probably come back and play again. The other 80% will probably have spoken to one of my teenage marshals, or googled Sup’Air after seeing it on a bunker, or even googled paintball, and will see that they can buy an Ion setup and mask for less than £300, and a case of paintballs for around £25, as opposed to the £120 I could sell it to them for.

Now, remind me, the field owner, the man who is taking all the risks, who has to pay a mortgage and unlike you, actually depends on paintball for a living, why exactly I owe you my valuable customers so that you can turn them into somebody else’s customers?”

So, you’re now Barney…what do you do?

Do you:
Start your own speedball paradise?
Start your own field with a speedball section, and show Fred that it can be done?
Get a job for Fred or someone similar and talk to the interested players yourself?
Or spend the rest of your life moaning on p8ntballer and getting nowhere?

How can you convince Fred to make it worth his while? Walkons are a possibility, but I don’t believe that is the real issue as I reckon site owners in general want to protect their own interests, they don’t have the ability to risk investing in sup’air as its not worth doing in the first place (in their eyes, but maybe rightly so) and then it hurts them to alert possible repeat customers that paintball can be had for cheaper.

Certain sites I’ve played at are going the right way about it, if you look at established fields like Campaign, or Mayhem for instance, they have a sup’air field and shop on site so it immediately makes it clear that there is another side available. I’d say the same about Ambush, as I’ve trained there at the same time as punters have been playing. Aside from these, I’ve only really been able to play sup’air at dedicated sites like Dartford, Tourney Park etc. I haven’t been there yet, but I know NQ is tourney only. How did I know these places existed? How did I even get into this “sport”? I can’t actually tell you, it’s probably a mere matter of luck. Once you’re in, it’s a whole new world and set of problems that this thread has covered, but where do these people come from?

I know its very short sighted, and I have taken a fairly defensive side of the field owner here, but look at it through their eyes. How can we makes these people want to promote sup’air? We cant count on the established punter sites, they’re grand hubs of paintball on their own but pale to insignificance when compared to the volume of players going through the doors at Delta Force, or all the other small individual sites combined.

Maybe the problem is prices for the owners? Its not like we have more land than we know what to do with in this country, unlike say, the States. Maybe the owners need industry support, or subsidies? I always hear that the site owners are what allow tournament players to have their cheap paint…I don’t buy this at all. When was the last time you bought Evil or Hellfire at a field, or used an Ego at one? Tournament paintball products are specialised and made to be sold to tournament paintball players, but there doesn’t seem to be any kind of movement to attract more players into the fold! This is what we get in the UK for piggy-backing on the success of the US market, and exactly why we get less in the way of sponsorship, there’s less money to be made. So infact, it is the punters who allow us to play…we just need more tournament punters.
 

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markie c said:
Oli how can you say that no takes the time to introduce new people into the sport.

not true our ..................................................i just wanted a second opinion.


Mark, I think you'll find Oli's reference was 'in general'......
 

Markie C

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Yes i know sorry if it came across wrong....

We are in the process of moving field's and maybe opening it to the Joe public ( if the farmer brings down the 7 pound a head down for us )

we will have 3 main fields to see if we can bridge the gap but who knows i know that the nq wont survive on just just the Sunday league paintballer who sniffs at paying a tenner to play all day.

but i do know that we are seeing more new players coming to the site so maybe it will survive with out bringing the public in or maybe just open it to get more of a public awareness so its a win win for us in the long run.
 

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Ben Frain said:
Seems to me that the only REAL problem with the UK scene is everyone is obsessed with negativity. One place starts a league and others rubbish it. Those that play European leagues diss domestic events as worthless. God help anyone who admits to playing in the woods - you may as well be a leper!
Not so much obsessed with negativity but maybe preoccupied with the reality of UK ball, and for some people, people who have been involved in other sports at anywhere near a serious level, it will seem incredulous we have this degree of apathy when it comes to something as basic as 'improving one's skills'.
As for league bashing, it's a petty consideration, nothing more.
As for Millennium ballers dismissing domestic leagues as worthless, I don't think they do that at all, they may minimize their importance in response to some league owners (and teams) attaching a ridiculous significance to them.
So I think it's quite misleading to suggest it is solely the arrogance of Millennium ballers when in fact the other half to that coin is the equally arrogant and erroneous bullsh!t we sometimes hear from some of our leagues as they pronounce their 'National' champions.......yawn !

All in all tho, we ain't gonna change coz not enough people really care....that I'm afraid is the bottom line.
 
I Think people may well be surprised in the next few years as to how much more aware the public will be of tournament paintball.

Already in this country we are starting to see sup air sites being opened to the public to come down and have a go, and I am hearing some good rumours that there are more sites coming around the country which are going to be investing some serious money into their setups which is going to attract a lot of new players into the tournament scene.

I know of at least 1 programme coming out on telly later this year that will feature top level tournament paintball and it wont be on at four in the morning either, more like early evening family viewing on a normal channel that everyone in the country can recieve !

Now these things are being achieved by players / ex players who are passionate about the sport and have a common goal - to take tournament paintball to the masses make it cheaper , easier to get into (with more advice, support and even training to help the players on their way to becoming a regular player)

It is past the time when we had the idea of asking paintball (recball) site owners to promote our sport for us , after all some are making hundreds of thousands a year doing just what they have been doing for the last 10 years why would they want to change anything. More than half of them I can guarantee you dont give a sh*t about the sporting side of the game anyway as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Now I am not saying that these new paintball sites are going to be an overnight success but if they DO become successful and show that the formula does work you will start seeing similar sites appearing everywhere, which in turn will mean more exposure for the sport we love.

This exposure means more people try it, more people try it means we can charge less for it , if we charge less people will play more often, if they play more often they part with more money therefore the sites can still make a profit.

But what can we do to help this happen from an average players point of view ?

Simple : If you see a new player at a site like this who is interested in playing and has questions then spend a little time to talk to them. You would be surprised at how much people appreciate you taking 3 minutes out from your life to give them a bit of advice. you can even make the difference between them going home and thinking "that sucked eveyone is so unfriendly" or going home and thinking "that was great I can't wait to order my marker and get down to play"

Also most of the players who have been playing more than a season have a marker laying spare somewhere that could be lent to a friend thats interested, who you could take down to the site for a day of "cheap" paintball to see if they liked it. You can show them the basics and you may even hook another player that way.
A recent example of this is when we took down a local shopkeeper to a training site lent him all the gear and had him train with us for the day. At the end of the day after saying how much he enjoyed it he said " I have five friends who would love to come and have a go at this !"

Instead of moaning that nothing is happening and nobody is doing enough to promote our sport lets get out there and do it ourselves !!!!!!


Andy.
 
Robbo said:
All in all tho, we ain't gonna change coz not enough people really care....that I'm afraid is the bottom line.
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That from you Robbo...?! Who cares if certain people don't give a sh*t? As long as a few of us stay on target it will work out!

I have worked hard to build up what I have got and my guys start to see the bigger picture. So I have got a fairly large amount of people that care.

Bit by bit things will change. Surely not over night but it will happen.

Oli
 

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Bagpuss said:
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That from you Robbo...?! Who cares if certain people don't give a sh*t? As long as a few of us stay on target it will work out!

I have worked hard to build up what I have got and my guys start to see the bigger picture. So I have got a fairly large amount of people that care.

Bit by bit things will change. Surely not over night but it will happen.

Oli

I think you need to read again what I said Oli and pay special attention to the words 'not enough' .....

If we are looking to get the UK to anywhere near top of the Euro pile then I say again, 'our position ain't gonna change' because it needs a lot more than the people who are already doing something now.

There needs to be a grass root mindset change (little evidence of anything significant going at all), there needs to be a lot more sites promoting Sup' Air and there ain't; we also need a lot more guys who know what they are talking about helping out people who wanna learn and trust me Oli, there ain't that many of either !

Of course we can all make things change on a micro level but if the benchmark of improvement is measured against a national scale then I'm afraid it ain't gonna happen all the time we got the majority of tourney ballers just being displaced recballers.
 

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Well, here it is again! The same-old, same-old. Firstly, let's get pedantic - paintball is not a sport (in the UK) - it's a very expensive hobby.

Secondly, paintballers just want to play paintball. They do not want to get involved in all the politics and ****e that goes on behind the scenes (and if you do - you only get shouted at for 'interferring').

The only person I know who did get involved in a 100% positive way would be Bully. How many currently active players are members of the UKPSF then? How many take an active roll in the 'behind the scenes' work?

So the simple answer to the threads topic is "no where". I think I'll save this - just so I can recycle it again it 6 months time :rolleyes:.


Put the money IN to paintball - and use that to introduce new blood - then the outlook may change - but...

Robbo said:
...All in all tho, we ain't gonna change coz not enough people really care....that I'm afraid is the bottom line.
 

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What exactly is the "state" of paintball...? its going great for me :)
who gives a **** if its not telivised and all that, i like it just the way it is.
I thought the population of tourny paintballers was increasing and there seems to be more training places than ever so whats the problem? People seem to making comments asif the sport were in disrepair??