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rancid

Mother, is that you?
I think we're f'ked.

Originally posted by Al Woods

Help us Robbo one, you're our only hope. :(
We're done for.





When will you wipe the dirt out of your eyes guys?

Why are you all ignoring the fkin obvious?

Why all this bollox talk about 18 man rosters, two teams to travel to here, and then qualify for that...?

One question: WHERE'S THE TV?
Answer: Nowhere.

Second question: so where does this leave x-ball?
Answer: A short lived gimmicky format, ill thought out and LESS televisible than the real thing.

Now, which part of this don't you understand?



Next post = 'I think we should have x-ball cos it's the way of the future and although I haven't got a clue what it means, or the finance involved, or the impracticalities of running a series, I think it's great and so does my mate Simon.'
 

Robbo

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I think we're f'ked.

Originally posted by Al Woods
I posted a while ago that if we didn't do something about X-Ball over here (Europe) then we will be in the same talent boat as we are now and will never bve able to compete with the yanks.

The land of milk and honey and all that, they are pioneering the X-ball series and the costs and logistics of it all seem just too far out of most of our reaches....ever. All the major backers are based in the states so we will only get the left overs, this kinda leaves us in a ****ty situation.

I think this could possibly mean the end of the Millennium series as we know it, maybe, depending on whether we take up the X-ball format or not. As mentioned before, we could try and take up the X-Ball game as a series but who can afford to play that AND a Mileennium series???? Not many teams as far as I can see. It all seems to going just like most US based sports, baseball, hockey, basketball, with all the top leagues developed and almost horded by the yanks. This leaves us out in the cold.

Personally I think something has to give, it can only be one or the other, perhaps run the Millennium as is with a showcase event at one or two of the bigger tourneys, X-Ball day only or something (??), it would probably only work as a non-league deal until we can catch up and learn more about it all AND gain some experience and perhaps get some decent NEW teams together, I doubt most of our current teams could ever cut it at that level.

It's looking bleak (at the moment) in my eyes and I'm fair gutted coz I'd love to play it at a decent level and not be there as a bunch of no-hopers just having a laugh on X-Ball 'type' fields'.

Help us Robbo one, you're our only hope. :(

Al, I'm not sure looking to me is gonna help matters because what lies at the very heart of all this is money and lack of direction and I'm afraid as you have already recognised, Europe is a poor second cousin in both.

When I went to that meeting with Richmond, Laurent and Sergei, us three Europeans all knew what was at stake.
Unless we secured some European involvement in X-Ball, then we would get left behind.
That is why we constructed the World Series as a possible template which included Europe as an equal partner and would also allow our game, or rather skill levels, to develop alongside that of the Americans and therefore not get left behind on any front.
That model was subsequently deemed to be unworkable because of our relative lack of finances but an alternative construct is now being considered which may be practical for us to assimilate.
But this only scratches at the real problems, firstly there is really only one team in Europe able to compete with the US at present, The Russian Legion.
Secondly, the existing dogmas and philosophies that paintball teams in Europe adopt are practically useless, out of date and unprofessional, and hold no real hope of any of them being able to compete with the Yanks or the Russkies.
Make no mistake about what I am saying here, I don’t care what some idiots out there may be saying, the Russians, and the Yanks will pull away from us in quantum leaps unless we start to do things properly when it comes to organising our teams.
When I look at what teams are doing over here in England in approaching training, I just give up sometimes.
No other team I know of over here trains properly, that is, trains to develop and refine their game so as to make improvement the main goal.
Sergei has nailed this to a fine art, almost created a science out of it.
When are we going to realise that we need to get serious if we wanna play hardball.
Instead of playing stupid ass little tourneys that nobody cares about, get out there and train, practice, sprint, get fit because this is what it now takes to become a top-flight team.
Do anything else, and you got no right to bitch and moan about anything !!!

Now some people might say, ‘Well, it’s alright for you Robbo, your team has got bundles of sponsorship, it’s easy for you to say and do’.
Well, it ain’t easy for us to do, we have to work really hard at what we trying to do and as for sponsorship ?
Well, the fact that you might not have such support does not preclude any team from training the right way. You could get away with 10 boxes of paint per training session and easily learn and refine so much more than going to some stoopid ass tourney that means nothing to nobody.
But you have to utilise that paint correctly and herein lies the reason why so many teams are just gonna go thru the motions of calling themselves pros when in reality, they are anything but.
The paintball landscape is changing before our very eyes, if we don’t try to keep pace and readjust the way we do things as teams, then the cherry picking Yanks, along with the technical genius of the Russkies Machine, are gonna leave us in their wake and we only have ourselves to blame.
Pete
 

MarkB

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I have to agree with you there Pete. I think we need to learn how to train and stop wasting our time and money playing the smaller events. From what I hear you guys are making big steps in that direction.
The local events are fine if you play for fun and are happy to just go out and play. But if you aim to play the bigger events and make an impact you need to make that extra effort.
I know Kelly's plan on doing a lot of training and with their potential I'd watch out for them next year. As for my boys? Well I plan on putting them through their paces so watch out for us as well.

Laterz
 

manike

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Re: I think we're f'ked.

Originally posted by rancid
Next post = 'I think we should have x-ball cos it's the way of the future and although I haven't got a clue what it means, or the finance involved, or the impracticalities of running a series, I think it's great and so does my mate Simon.'
Simon thinks X-ball can be fun to watch (depending very much on who is playing) and that he would like a go at playing it.

He doesn't think Europe is ready for it the way the USA is though, and isn't convinced it's the ultimate solution for the mass media yet.

The European public and Media do not necessarily respond to the same things as the USA does.

Simon actually agrees with a lot of Rancid's points, but still wants to give X-ball a chance.

He's open minded... unless of course you were talking about another Simon? :D

manike
 
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duffistuta

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X-Ball US doesn't need TV money to work in the short term - running alongside current PSP events means the promoter makes his money irrespective - better still, he doesn't have to pay out any cash for Pro prizes.

Training-wise, got to agree too - all our sessions are going to be the team only running drills etc. No playing other teams or small events.










Although we may train with Strange Europe...
 

rancid

Mother, is that you?
Originally posted by duffistuta
X-Ball US doesn't need TV money to work in the short term - running alongside current PSP events means the promoter makes his money irrespective - better still, he doesn't have to pay out any cash for Pro prizes.

So, what's the point of it then? What is it trying to achieve? What, you telling me that it's a showcase for loads of tv execs to come and watch?
 

Collier

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I'm pretty sure that our weekly training will include a few smaller events s2003 for example i.e. drills for 3 weekends then a tournament, I still believe this to be valuable provided you are playing in the correct division.

Paul.
:)