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Tommy, I could, if I chose to, explain exactly, and back up exactly what I mean but I'm not going to ...... and I hope you understand and maybe appreciate why.

You know me well enough to know I do not state things on here without having the armoury and facts to fully back up anything I say.

Take a time out mate, chill out, and re read what I said, then cross reference that with who you are playing against on a regular basis and how that impacts upon the ability to assess skill levels.

If you still feel the need to come back on afterwards and defend your cause, then I will answer and engage you in debate.
Hi Pete,
Thanks, I am chill.
I wanted to put my POV on here as i think this thread has some really positve thoughts and ideas for aspiring teams and players in this country. Would be nice to keep it positive and i believe the recent results from those 3 mentioned UK teams is a promising thing for all of us. Obviously Nexus is much closer to my heart but it really is great to see British guys that have put in alot of work get results in the respective divisions.

Sorry for getting the Tigers result wrong Jay :eek:

Clinic wise, some have been run real cheaply (maybe +£10 a player) and are still poorly attended. I don't think money is an issue Like Dark said most people would rather play an event with their cash than attend a clinic. That is absoloutly fine, but people are quick to pass the buck to something else. Individual development in many cases can only be put down to the individual; his drive and commitment to give it everything he can to be better.

Hope that explains my thoughts a bit clearer,

Tommy
 

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Tommy, I'm just off to get my face filled in sparring again, I'll reply laters mate but suffice to say, I was NOT digging Nexus out or any of the players on the team.
I 100 % respect what you guys are doing and the way in which you inspire our young ballers; I also respect the way in which you play and what you have achieved ....let me expand a little on this later mate.
 

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I think the best of way developing the sport, is to raise the standards of the lower level teams rather than just scoop up their best players. Probably the best way to do this, would be some of the established and experienced (but not necessarily pro) teams took a day once in a while to train with a newer, less experienced team. Perhaps the reason newer teams start to stagnate is because they're not playing teams better than themselves. I know this isn't always practical, but paintball is a sport of sacrifice and determination. My team started out a few months ago as just a group of people who wanted to play paintball over the summer, but over this season of the Irish Paintball League, we've become more than that. We generally train 2-3 times a month and actively seek to improve our game. What put this fire in out bellies? Round 1 of the IPL, our first games as a team, we played Escarmouche and Team Karnage, two of the best teams in Ireland and got hammered both games. Karnage and the Dublin Reapers took time to train with us, rather than dismiss us as the rubbish new team and showed us drills and techniques and we enjoy paintball a lot more now that we have dedicated ourselves to training and improvement. If you want to improve the higher/pro level teams, you need to improve the universal standards of teams IMHO.

Sorry about the rambling post, but improving, promoting and expanding paintball is something I am massively passionate about.
 

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Eric - sorry mate - I was sort of being rhetorical. I was trying to say what you said - but in the wrong way (obviously).

phil09 said:
...Karnage and the Dublin Reapers took time to train with us, rather than dismiss us as the rubbish new team...
That is exactly what I was hoping to see. I have nothing but respect for any 'good' team that takes the time to help those a bit less advantaged in the paintball field.

If only more teams did this, rather than see themselves as something on a higher plain.

Just for the record Tommy - I am very proud of Nexus, Shock, Tigers etc. - even The Firm and So Manc ;). I'm, also, lucky enough to remember Banzai and Kelly's - and loved watching those guys play. It's not a matter of pride in your nations team - but the 'will and want' to one day play for them. My point (lost somewhere in the mists of time now) was just how do aspiring players actually 'try-out' for Nexus and the likes?
 

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For me, it's as much about Exposure as anything else.

The top European teams are getting hardly any exposure on the World stage. They used to, and teams like the TonTon, Nexus, Joy, Shock etc would travel to the states, and appear in all the magazines (especially PGI, who always championed the Euro-teams)
With, like, 2 magazines left, and no euro's making a serious stab at the US scene, the exposure has almost completely died off, except for a few pages per month in Facefull.
No-one is talking about Euro teams, and so people are generally losing interest in my opinion.

The same issue is facing some US teams too. The Dogs used to get a ton of exposure, now they don't. Even Dynasty are getting a fraction of the promo they used to, which is compounded by the fact they don't have JT in their pocket anymore (JT always did a tremendous job of promoting those guys).

teams are literally getting forgotten about, and the Euro's have been the first to suffer, as they have the fewest options to promote themselves.

Another factor in this is the MS. They are doing a terrible job of promoting their Pro division. I try to follow the league, but even I couldn't tell you what the top division is called these days. You may think thats dense of me, but like I said - I actually try. For those that don't try, and don't attend the events, some of those teams might as well not exist. In comparison, the NPPL (under PPP) really marketed thier Pro's, and as a result the value of those teams grew.

So, if there were fewer teams, and they were of a higher standard - would any of this actually change, or would the top Euro-teams just be a 'legend in thier own lunch-times'?
 

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In regards to increasing exposure, what could be done is get a few volunteers to operate cameras and record the millennium events. Create a website to put them on. Then promote the website on other paintballing websites, when a suitable audience is gained, the website could pitch space for advertisement or whatever to companies.

The only footage I've seen of Marseilles Icon play is a fan shot video from the stands behind the netting, which needless to say isn't that good. I don't even know what the TonTons are up to, because no one is talking about them. I suppose it's up to us as a community to express interest and support the best teams among us by being their fans and creating demand for exposure. There just isn't enough game footage out there IMO.
 

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My point (lost somewhere in the mists of time now) was just how do aspiring players actually 'try-out' for Nexus and the likes?
Get in touch with the team's that your intrested in trying-out for,they can only say no,but they may say yes as you may turn out to be the next big thing!! Dont wait for them to approach you.


Most of the top end teams in the uk will have try-out's at the end of each season,we did last year and only 6 people turned up and 2 of them were invited by us,there was meant to be about 14 people but they just did'nt bother to turn up.Every team will generally lose at least 1 or 2 players at the end of each season for various reasons and those teams will already be looking for new players to replace the ones they've lost or are going to lose.
 

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For me, it's as much about Exposure as anything else.

The top European teams are getting hardly any exposure on the World stage. They used to, and teams like the TonTon, Nexus, Joy, Shock etc would travel to the states, and appear in all the magazines (especially PGI, who always championed the Euro-teams)
With, like, 2 magazines left, and no euro's making a serious stab at the US scene, the exposure has almost completely died off, except for a few pages per month in Facefull.
No-one is talking about Euro teams, and so people are generally losing interest in my opinion.

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Missy's post was once again, bang on the money.
When I started Nexus, I knew damned well, the team had to be branded and promoted to hell, and being one of the editors of PGi, I made sure the team got as much exposure as it needed, and then some, too much in fact.

Luckily for us, in our launch year we did fantastic both sides of the Atlantic for a team that had mainly amateur and novice players.

I knew full well, a team's image was absolutely paramount to its success with that success not always being measured with how well it down, basically, the team was a cool team, and everybody respected that, and that was both sides of the Atlantic;

Ledzy also did a fantastic job in promoting the team thru his company, Planet's advertising as did Dave Youngblood with Dye and so you couldn't pick up a magazine without seeing our ugly faces everywhere.

I'm afraid the vast majority Stateside don't even know of Nexus now, or if they do, it's a faint memory from yesteryear.


But this demise in the European's media exposure isn't all our fault, a lot of the fault lies with the American economy taking a dive and throttling the life out of the paintball industry and consequently staunching the flow of dollars into advertising in the magazines.

It was exactly this downturn in dollar revenue that saw PGi escorting itself into the dead box along with virtually all of the other magazines but the irony was, PGi continued long after I sold Nexus to Youngblood and my departure co-incided with the demise in exposure of Nexus, but that's another story altogether.

...Because PGi was a truly international magazine (the vast majority of the copies however were sold in the US) European teams got a healthy coverage and therefore were internationally known with I suppose, Nexus, Joy Division and Russian Legion dominating that exposure.
It's a crying shame things ain't like they used to be but I suppose nothing ever is, we just have to wait and hope.

But I don't think it's all doom and gloom because if the respective economies begin to turn around, paintball will also, let's hope our teams are ready to do their bit accordingly