50 cal - does the UK customer benefit?

[Dark Warrior]

Seems like a lot of hassle for little benefit. I will wait to see it in action before real judgement.

However from reading everything it appears that perhaps it could benefit/alter tournament play and style of game but for customer sites be less beneficial, at least in the short term.

And what benefits do you think UK tournament play gains from .50cal?

 

[Big Mac]

And what benefits do you think UK tournament play gains from .50cal?

Im not really sure to be honest, is it not meant to be cheaper to manufacture, therefore making it slightly cheaper overall costs at a tournament meaning that more uk teams will be playing more events so ensuring a high turnout? Perhaps this is over exaggerated, i dont know if the cost differences are that significant?

Im not really sure, i was just bored and this is the first time i have been on here in a few months and gave it a brief read. Maybe i should read further into it...

 

[Big Mac]

admittedly though the cost of gear mods/changing could have the opposite effect especially on the younger players. Again im not up to date on this so have no idea on any estimated costs of this.

 

[Dark Warrior]

admittedly though the cost of gear mods/changing could have the opposite effect especially on the younger players. Again im not up to date on this so have no idea on any estimated costs of this.

Post #6 will give you a basic insight and you know the basic costs of a new equipment

 

[Big Mac]

well now i feel silly, pretty standard really! I read that post as well but it didnt click as i was typing.

I wasn't expecting such a spanish inquisition from you eric. Mind you i walked right into it, dropping myself back in at the deep end.

Still if you ignore the cost of mods and whatnot, new markers/hoppers will be made to the 50 cal specs, people who buy new markers virtually every year wont be affected too much as they buy a new marker so the cost recovery is less of an issue, but still an issue for those who cant afford to just go out and buy new.

For now, i back out!

 

[Dark Warrior]

well now i feel silly, pretty standard really! I read that post as well but it didnt click as i was typing.

I wasn't expecting such a spanish inquisition from you eric. Mind you i walked right into it, dropping myself back in at the deep end.

Still if you ignore the cost of mods and whatnot, new markers/hoppers will be made to the 50 cal specs, people who buy new markers virtually every year wont be affected too much as they buy a new marker so the cost recovery is less of an issue, but still an issue for those who cant afford to just go out and buy new.

For now, i back out!

You forgot that most of those who buy new, also sell their old to offset costs, expect those greedy GunWhores of course.

Oh! You can't sell the old because no one will want them

 

[lee123]

i seriosly doubt site owners will change all the rentals guns to .50 cal

 

[Dusty]

Interesting theory there Dusty, but are you thinking that the majority of customers are own gunners?

If you look at how most UK sites make their money, it is from paint sales
If they sell paint at 6p per ball will they drop it to 5p a ball, doubt it as that equates to a loss if income of £20 and when you factor in site cost of retooling, where is the benefit for the likes of Delta Force to switch all their sites to .50cal.

Now looking at own gunners they will probably save about £5 per box, but to cover the cost of re-equipping yourself to shoot .50cal, you would need to be using 90 boxes in the year and if you work it out not many average players actually use that amount whether in tournament or woodland.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to money and all we are hearing about are the respective ballistic qualities of .50 and .68cal. We know they can make the balls fly and burst very similar with a bit of tweaking, although it "may" need a slight bps increase.

The question is, are there any real benefits to UK Sites Owners and UK Customer base or are we just going to have to move with the times because its good for the US and possibly others?


And if anyone is interested I have no affiliation either way.

Joe the punter doesn't care, a hundred shots is a hundred shots no matter what size they are, as long as the price is reasonable and the customer doesn't walk away feeling robbed then its all good.

End of the day you go to a restaurant and order a steak it's £15. You aren't worried about the fact that steak only cost a quid or two, you walk away feeling you've had value for money.

The benefit to the customer is less pain and thats always going to encourage repeat business, people who don't like the sting won't come back as often. Repeat business means more people likely to be own gunners, more of them translates to tourney ball, tourney ball also grows.

Also keep in mind most sites will spend as little as possible on paint, often meaning really cheap, hard, nasty paint when as little as £1 extra a box can make a huge leap in quality.

The downside is that £1 per box translates to £130 a skid, or £260 for 2 skids, or £390 for 3 skids. Take it over a year and if the bigger sites are going through even 2 skids a month thats 24 a year which is over 3 grand.

I know there's one site in Ireland pumps through hundreds of people every weekend, and i mean hundreds as in 4-500. If each customer only shot 500 balls thats still 250 boxes a week, or 2 skids, which is over 100 skids a year.

Hands up if you are spending hundreds changing from your 09 gat to the latest 2010? Ego 9 - Ego 10 honestly are there hundreds of pounds worth of performance benefits? DM9-DM10? Yet they're still selling....

Once people see for themselves if there are REAL benefits to .50cal changing over won't be as bad as all that. The manufacturers WILL bring out drop in kits, Eclipse have started the rest will follow for fear of losing their customers for the sake of a drop in. If they don't people like Custom Products if they are switched on will make a killing manufacturing drop in kits for all guns.

 

[Devrij]

These "tests" are hardly conclusive. You've probably seen people dropping paint in their kitchens and calling it a test.

Everyone knows there are lots of variables in how a paintball flies and breaks. All I'm concerned about is that it breaks when I SHOOT someone with it, i don't care if it's going to break off your kitchen floor.

The proof is in the pudding gents, SHOOT it first, then make your minds up.

A ball hitting a hard surface from 8 feet should break. If I drop .68 cal from that height it'd break. So you're saying that a ball traveling the same velocity that doesn't break might translate into a ball travelling the same velocity (or not, according to ballistics calculations) that does break on field?

 

[Dusty]

A ball hitting a hard surface from 8 feet should break. If I drop .68 cal from that height it'd break. So you're saying that a ball traveling the same velocity that doesn't break might translate into a ball travelling the same velocity (or not, according to ballistics calculations) that does break on field?

How was the paint stored then smart ass? What temperature was it when the test was performed? What grade of paint was it? Site or tourney? What was the humidity factor?

I've seen so called top grade tourney paint fail to break off concrete after being THROWN 20 ft in the air so no the tests are NOT conclusive. I've seen field paint break from knee height falling onto mud.

I'll be waiting to see for myself, then I'll make an honest judgement call.