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Richmond Italia Interview

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amongst other things, he mentions that 1.25g is the heaviest you will see a 50cal ball.

Very disappointing for the tournie side of things.
But self imposed 'physics master' Italia says they will fly the same as 68 in that very interview?

And anyone who doesnt beleive him is clearly pushing the agenda of a competing paint company that isnt capable of making 50 cal.
 

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amongst other things, he mentions that 1.25g is the heaviest you will see a 50cal ball.

Very disappointing for the tournie side of things.
Hmm, sorry Bolter. Actually he didn't say that either. The 1.25g came up in the context of a comparison with 68 cal weights of around 3.2g. He was suggesting given the relative sizes and volumes a 1.25g 50 cal ball was comparable to a 3.2g 68 cal paintball. (The calculated number is actual around 1.26g if I recall correctly but in any case the 50 cal paint we've seen so far is around 1.21 -- 1.22g, not 1.25g.)
With respect to tourney grade 50 cal he said the final formula isn't settled yet--a work in progress if you will.
 

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Interesting post from PBN regarding the interview

Spitlebug said:
^^ LOLOLOLOL

I am shocked and somewhat dismayed at the comments made by Mr. Italia on your most recent PodCast. His comments regarding other industry members and forum goers were really uncalled for. Moreover, I find it insulting that Mr. Italia would comment on ASTM International matters when it is painfully obvious he is not fully aware of how ASTM International operates, nor is he a member. What Mr. Italia failed to mention is that ASTM International is comprised of both Producers and Consumers (such as myself). In fact, ASTM International can only be comprised of a maximum of 50% producers.

I find Mr. Italia's comments on the physics behind the interaction between the density and surface area of a paintball to be wholly flawed. The simple fact of the matter is that anyone with high school equivalent physics can prove beyond a shadow of doubt, that 50 caliber is in many ways inferior to a 68 caliber paintball. The comparison that Mr. Italia makes regarding people driving Honda cars and Camaros is a logical fallacy because the price point comparison does not equate.

To this date Mr. Italia cannot claim any end user cost savings. One can clearly see with some a few web searches that G.I. Milsim 50 caliber markers are more expensive than their 68 caliber Smart Parts (or DLX) counterparts. Moreover, comparing European pricing on paint across the board we can see that the savings on the case for the lowest grade G.I. Milsim 50 caliber paint is marginal at best, and when comparing prices to premium paints it can clearly be demonstrated that G.I. Milsim paint is much more expensive than the competing 68 caliber brands. Mr. Italia might make the argument that 68 caliber at this time has savings based on volume of sales, but again that is a logical fallacy. In reality the price for paint and markers unless subsidized, will be determined by the vendor, not the manufacturer.

Let me give you some facts about 68 caliber and 50 caliber paintballs:

1.) At the current weights and velocity limits as proposed by ASTM International, a 50 caliber paintball will not fly as far as a 68 caliber paintball.
2.) 50 caliber paintballs will take more time to fly the same distance as 68 caliber paintballs.
i.) This is exasperated at distance where it can take greater than an additional second to fly corner to corner on a standard format Speedball field (or any other field for that matter)
3.) 50 caliber markers have to be inclined at a greater angle than 68 caliber markers to achieve equal distance.
4.) 50 caliber paintball markers are more efficient than 68 caliber markers.
i.) This only applies in the manner of the number of shots per tank fill.
5.) 50 caliber paintballs will not break as readily as 68 caliber paintballs because of the minimum shell thickness required to encapsulate PEG based paint.
i.) This applies regardless of the process in which manner the ribbon thickness is monitored.
ii.) This is a physical limitation, there is no exception to the laws of physics and chemistry that are involved in the process by which atoms bond with each other.
6.) 50 caliber paint imparts less energy than 68 caliber paint.
i.) This underscores the frangibility issue of 50 caliber paint vs. 68 caliber paint.
7.) 50 caliber paint takes less volume of space. When compared a 140 round pod (designed for 68 caliber) one can fit nearly 350 - 50 caliber paintballs.
i.) The weight difference is negligible however, the difference between 140 - 68 caliber paintballs and 350 - 50 caliber paintballs is less than 10 grams.

The beauty of science and math is that it does not discriminate.

If I were Mr. Cole, I would be embarrassed to be associated with someone who speaks so poorly of other industry members considering the diminutive scale of the paintball industry. That being said, Mr. Cole presented himself professionally and I must commend him.


Sincerely,

Spitlebug
 

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Well, I don't think it takes an extra SECOND to get corner-to-corner on a speedball field. And even if it did, nobody shoots corner to corner on a speedball field.

At 100', which is a bit shy of shooting back bunker to mirror, the numbers I have are it takes about 25% longer for the .50 cal paintball to get there. It is a significant difference, but it is nowhere near a second.

I have been quite dubious about the .50 cal performance claims, but we don't need to go the other direction and say it's worse than it is.