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Discussion in 'Speak your Brains' started by Dan! Dan! Dan!, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. STONESOLDIER Planet Eclipse

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    When the XSV story was released one of there main focus points was to beat Dynasty, They say they train to beat Dynasty and in there discussions if they dont train as much or more they are never going to beat them.

    they train all weekend they train some week days big sponsors is a big part of this

    We simply cant do this

    Sure having an amazing coach come over would help, But just help
  2. Dan! Dan! Dan! Platinum Member Lifetime

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    Stoney, The XSV Story should be required viewing for all up-and-coming teams.

    I agree - most UK players don't have the time or money to train 2 or 3 times a week.

    But what I am saying is that we need to change the way we are training, in order to beat everyone in the MS.

    If Paul came over and did a clinic for a couple of teams, they could just train the way he has told them to train. And the result should be a massive improvement in performance. It wouldn't mean training 5 times a week, just changing the way you do things.

    For an example of how changing the way you train improves your performance, look at this:-

    http://www.millennium-series.com/team_profile.php?Team=Polar Bears Tarko Sale

    From 24th place to 3 1st place finishes, and 2nd place overall in SPL in one easy step. So, who did they get to train them so well?

    Or did they just get hold of some Shamen Juice?
  3. Dave284 Platinum Member

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    they didn't have their russian legion players for the first tourney.
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  4. alicethegoon Member

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    Clinics are always a great idea, sadly never well supported as people would rather spunk money on goggle straps and crap hanging off their belts or packs, or buying the latest this and the latest that than learn. Clinics run by the right people will help no end, period.

    But

    What happens when you get to the event? What the UK lacks is a coach that can read games (talking x ball here) and make real time changes during games to counter teams. My point is your x ball team may have a decent level of skill maybe even better than your opposition but if the other guys have a smart coach who can call plays to counter you in terms of laning and breakouts then my money will be on them. How many times do we see teams with big point leads turn matches around? Is it because the players suddenly get better? Nope, it's because someone from the outside who is smart and can read games instigates changes to how they play and where to shoot off the break. The ability to adapt and to adapt quick enough.

    Getting the likes of Paul over for a clinic is part 1, part 2 is paying him or someone HE recommends to coach you at the event
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  5. sean_baller1989 Member

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    I hear what you say, and id also agree that Paul is one of, if not the best paintball mind in the world. What he has done with damage and his blog is evidence of this. I definitely got a huge amount out of the clinic/ training session he did with us in the states a couple of years ago before world cup.

    I agree also that having an american coach would be massively beneficial, but name me one of the top three UK teams right now that has a non player coach, who calls the line, the play, and watches and analyses the game from behind the netting? Im not denying that a player/captain/coach can do a great job, but how can you tell exactly what is going on with every play, every player, every point when you are focusing also on playing yourself and your own job on the field?

    as for the way we play, I am not denying we have extremely talented players in the UK. but if you look at the top teams in the PSP, they all train against each other on a regular basis. Playing better players and teams is paramount of a team is going to improve. Of course there are exceptions, such as the legion, and joy- who have/had no other big teams to train against in their vicinity. and to an extent and with a lot of sucess they make up for this with their individual core skill levels, name me a team that practices running and shooting, lane shooting, snapshooting, first shot accuracy etc in the world more than those two teams?

    which brings me to my next point- drills. maybe only two of the top mills teams in the UK right now do drills on a regular basis.

    as for the point about Polar Bears, i dont know where dave got the idea they didnt have their russian legion players for the first event was, they certainly did. it looked like they had a lot of paint issues that event. sure having max as a coach must have helped massively, but those two players made a huge impact on that team.
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  6. Dan! Dan! Dan! Platinum Member Lifetime

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    Spot on. So, we need full-time coaches and good teams to train against.

    The first thing that springs to mind is, how about paying Twizz, Markie C or Ledz to coach?
  7. Twizz ECI London Tigers 2

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    I have tried to do clinics before, and for free, ask Robbo, he posted up on these forums about 5 years ao that I was offering to do free clinics, but again it was lack of interest

    All any team has to do is ask and I will do a clinic for nothing, I wouldn't even ask for fuel, I still do enjoy coaching. But I can't put myself in the same class as Paul Richards or any of the American or Russian coaches that is for sure.

    All any Team has to do is ask.

    And there is nothing more I would love is to has a season of committed players (or the GB Players) to work with, I have good players with Tigers but we lack funds, just like most teams do.
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  8. Twizz ECI London Tigers 2

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    I tell you what then, I wil do a free clinic at the CPPS and one at Bricketwood and see what response we get, players will have to pay the normal green fee, but they can bring there own paint, so I will send the CPPS a email now to let him know and just make sure its ok and I will see Yorkie on Sunday and ask him also

    It will be interesting to see what the response will be like, but even if I only get 5 players I will still come up from down south to the CPPS
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  9. WihGlah Autococker Tech

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    I've attended clinics with Clint, Jason and Nicky.

    They are by far the best way to learn.
  10. alicethegoon Member

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    I agree also that having an american coach would be massively beneficial, but name me one of the top three UK teams right now that has a non player coach, who calls the line, the play, and watches and analyses the game from behind the netting? Im not denying that a player/captain/coach can do a great job, but how can you tell exactly what is going on with every play, every player, every point when you are focusing also on playing yourself and your own job on the field?


    Erm.....Well I can't name one because that was my point !! Clinics are step 1 and then a designated coach, again the likes of Paul is part 2.
    The nuts and bolts of it is, in my opinion, the UK hasn't got a coach yet that can coach to the same degree as Paul or someone of a similar standard. If there was someone qualified to coach to this standard then they have to want to do it as well, giving up weekends, travelling etc which is a whole different issue.
  11. sean_baller1989 Member

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    Sorry i didn't read your post, was purely replying to "plenty'o'toole's" comment on my original post, but 100% yes- it seems all the top US teams have non player coaches (paul TBD, jason heat, todd infamous, RL max etc, dynasty did have mike, now rusty, ironmen skinny kevin- the list goes on) all these guys played at the top of the game at one time..

    The problem in question is as you say, there are a lack of this calibre of coaches. its a massive sacrifice of time and effort as you also stated, there is a distinct lack of people "qualified" that are still around/ interested in performing such a role.. how many ex pro players are there around willing to give up the time and money to coach a top 5 UK team? there aren't any UK teams (with the possible exception of nexus) that have the money to pay a full time non player coach i wouldn't have thought, and that being said its a lot of money for the coach in question to sacrifice as well, travel and hotels for at least 4 events in Europe, and training maybe 35-40 weekends of the year? i guess i'm just reiterating what you have said, but I cant see any UK teams paying for an american coach any time soon.

    the non player coaches on aforementioned top UK teams take more of an organisational role; which while much needed, once the players step through the netting, they are on their own..

    so in the mean time, how can we step up?
  12. Stephen Samurai TopCats

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    Did you manage to speak to Yorkie Twizz? I'd happily attend a clinic of yours at Bricketwood.

    I also know that Jason Wheeler is doing a clinic at Bricketwood on the 27th of this month which I would love to go to if it wasn't for work commitments...
  13. liam92 Platinum Member Lifetime

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    not that it can't be overcome, but demographics plays a big part in creating talented coaches and players i think. the reality is, the population of America outnumbers us 5:1, and on top of that the US PSP series is the pinnacle of paintball. so to think that this season the PSP had 12 pro teams, then relatively speaking we aren't doing bad at all on our tiny little island by coming up with the 2 pro teams nexus and disruption. As always, there is much room for improvement and quality coaches would definitely help!
  14. Gran Relentless

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    Nailed this whole thread in 6 lines.

    The UK doesn't have anybody, it's as black and white as that.

    Paul Richards is the man when it comes to lines, plays etc, without his clinic at CFP we wouldn't have taken 4th at WC in 2010.

    But... I think teams would only benefit from a clinic with the likes of Paul if it was on a specific layout of an up coming Millennium. If you're looking for somebody to tell you how to run and gun, snap shoot, break shoot etc then there are a handful of players in the UK who would show you the correct way and be willing to give you pointers to work on for free.

    The trouble I've seen over the past few years is people with no clue giving newer players the wrong advice, which obviously has a knock on.

    Another thing I personally think is a problem with UK teams is that they play out of their depth.
    Everybody wants to play at the highest level they can, but there must be a point when reality has to kick in and you see that the only consistent result you're getting is not making it past your prelim group.
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  15. StubbsPKS Din Eidyn

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    Not only is the population bigger, but a larger portion of the US population has begun to accept paintball as a sport. It's been featured on ESPN many times in the past few years.

    The UK is starting to look more seriously at paintball as a sport, but a majority of the people I speak to still look at me funny when I say I'm headed to paintball training. We need to change the mentality that paintball is just running around in the woods on your birthday and stag night if we want the top teams to have a larger pool of talent to choose from.

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  16. Fisz Ka mate!

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    Not necessarily. I know Paul has a clinic program prepped and ready to go which aims to teach players/captains/teams how to become better by emphasizing the philosophy and theory behind the work that needs to be done. His is not a program that's concentrating on individual player technique. Having a specific layout might be beneficial but he wouldn't want to teach you how to play that particular field, rather what you need to know in order to prepare yourself for playing any field.
  17. Twizz ECI London Tigers 2

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    Most of the old players, once they finished playing they just got out of the game, just like that has already been said, it takes a lot of time to coach a team and of cause its very frustrating when players can't be bothered to train.

    I will be doing a few training days which the 1st one being at Bricket wood during February, and I have already been in touch with Ainsley from the CPPS about doing one there once the site opens.

    Paul Richards has sent me some details about costs and what he goes through so again we will be sorting something out and putting a date up, but again we will need deposits before we book him up because it will be me paying for his flight and hotel and then getting the money back!! As what usually happens is, people say how good it would be to get an American coach over here, but when it comes to paying deposits, people pull out

    I think everyone knows I have always been committed for 26 years to try and do the best for UK ball, And will continue to do so.

    If any team wants a training day or morning or whatever, I will be there for them, and like I have Said over the years there is no charge, all you have to do is ask

    Twizz
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  18. Ainsley CPPS Chief Chimp

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    Watch this space.......got some ideas for all players (and teams) this season and following a series of meetings this week, it looks like it's going to happen. I'll leave it at that for now, but irons are in the fire ;)
  19. Care_Bears Bluey .. Team :- Care Bears

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    Twizz ECI, I`m asking ?? if you can ,at our own site " Bearsville " I think It`s a bout time we had a Pro Trainer,
    I Make No mistake here mate, That`s how you`ve always come across to me.
    Please when you have time Pm me. . Bluey :- Teams > Care Bears.
  20. Twizz ECI London Tigers 2

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    No problem mate, pm on its way

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