disability's

[SJ13]

*Puts hand up* I used to suffer from learning difficulties which i still do have (can't learn and understand very long words) and i used to be a heavy stutterer (which can be classed as a disability.... technally) but i got over that but every now and then i stutter a bit but i think its not a big deal now

Anyway, I think they should be alowed a place at a school BUT they should have special rules that makes sure that the disabled kids arn't put down by stupid bullys about there problems as it would make them feel insecure and.... well.... alone.

 

[Buddha 3]

I have just aquired a brother-in-law with Aspergers Syndrome.

You make it sound like they are sold at Walmart.

 

[Rider]

*Puts hand up* I used to suffer from learning difficulties which i still do have (can't learn and understand very long words) and i used to be a heavy stutterer (which can be classed as a disability.... technally) but i got over that but every now and then i stutter a bit but i think its not a big deal now

Anyway, I think they should be alowed a place at a school BUT they should have special rules that makes sure that the disabled kids arn't put down by stupid bullys about there problems as it would make them feel insecure and.... well.... alone.

there is a differnce between a stutter and something like autism.

sure - many disabilities are such that they won't stop someone integrating in at least some form in a mainstream school.

there are others where the needs of the individual are far too complex or demanding to be possible to cater for in a regular school. it can be difficult for us to teach to a level that is suitbale for them - even for those with the correct training and experience - as every case will be different.

is it fair for those kids to try and manage in a class full of other kids? no.

is it fair for the other kids to have the disruption this would bring (not just behavioural, but time and resource)? no.

is it fair for non-specialist staff, both teaching and non-teaching, to have to manage these pupils? no.

is it better to have fully trained and dedicated staff to help kids with these severe disabilites? yes.

is it better for these dedicated staff to have a dedicated facility? yes.

however, i will say this. although i am a great advocate for specialist schooling - i am generally against the current comprehensive school model anyway.

footnote: for those that don't know - i am a teacher in a mid-size comprehensive secondary in a local authority which prides itself on a (sh!te) inclusion policy........ i deal with this stuff everyday - unlike most of you.

 

[RoryM]

I guess that with such a broad difference between the individuals conditions and how severe their condition is there has to be a line drawn, for those that need specialist schooling because they are incapable of operating/living with very little supervision in the outside world.

Some on the other hand do stand a chance and have to be given a bit of real world living to make their way forward and giving them a chance of a normal life, which is what everybody deserves.

But a line has to be drawn somewhere, and those that disrupt the education of others serverely have to be considered as well , even if they could live a relatively independanty life. Very grey and without seeing for ourselves, its hard to judge the case above.

 

[John C]

there is a differnce between a stutter and something like autism.

sure - many disabilities are such that they won't stop someone integrating in at least some form in a mainstream school.

there are others where the needs of the individual are far too complex or demanding to be possible to cater for in a regular school. it can be difficult for us to teach to a level that is suitbale for them - even for those with the correct training and experience - as every case will be different.

is it fair for those kids to try and manage in a class full of other kids? no.

is it fair for the other kids to have the disruption this would bring (not just behavioural, but time and resource)? no.

is it fair for non-specialist staff, both teaching and non-teaching, to have to manage these pupils? no.

is it better to have fully trained and dedicated staff to help kids with these severe disabilites? yes.

is it better for these dedicated staff to have a dedicated facility? yes.

however, i will say this. although i am a great advocate for specialist schooling - i am generally against the current comprehensive school model anyway.

footnote: for those that don't know - i am a teacher in a mid-size comprehensive secondary in a local authority which prides itself on a (sh!te) inclusion policy........ i deal with this stuff everyday - unlike most of you.

Frazer what do you think of this new government initiative for shcools thats been on the news recently?


Switching from performance assessment, to entitlements for each student?

From my understanding, If a student requires it, they can demand 1 to 1 tuition and the school gets in big trouble? (and presumably has to stand in the naughty corner)

 

[Rider]

currently only applies to england.

scottish education is devolved - but we have a similar situation since scotland signed up the Children's Act.

if a child or parent demands a specific educational provision then we are pretty much tied to that.

only if the LEA can show that it is a truly unreasonable demand can it be turned down. and a lack of resourcing is not considered to be a reasonable excuse....

i believe that a school should have the resources to teach those children it is within its ability to teach. all too often we don't - our ASN/LS/SEN (whatever you want to call them) staff are undermanned and under resourced for the kids they have to deal with - nevermind the ones that we could get if we were fully inclusive. as it is our LEA has ONE very small special school - even that is in danger of going.

as far as assessment goes - look into the biggest disaster ever to strike the UKs education system - scotland's Curriculum for Excellence. On paper a great theory - in practice something we are expected to set up, fund an implement on what we currently have. less in fact, as we will be recieving real-term budget cuts for the forseeable future.

 

[Missy-Q]

You make it sound like they are sold at Walmart.

No, I never buy my disabled children 'new', I find you can pick them up in the hospital parking lot for next to nothing, thanks to fxckwits like Kent Massive.

 

[Ralph]

No, I never buy my disabled children 'new', I find you can pick them up in the hospital parking lot for next to nothing, thanks to fxckwits like Kent Massive.

lol lol lol lol